Help identify percussion musket

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by geoben, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. geoben

    geoben New Member

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    About 40 years ago I purchased an 1859 Enfield Musket in Wales.
    It has V.R under the Crown and has the inspectors stamp.
    It is smooth bore and measures .70 inches. Barrel length is 39 inches
    The rear sight is square metal with a V notch. It has three bands.
    It has an olive colored leather sling and a small round , brass plate in the stock with J.Fort over 298 stamped in it.
    Markings on the top of the barrel are not legible.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    geoben
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Just assume you have gotten the "uselss without pictures" response- OK?

    POSSIBLY a 3rd Model 1853 Enfield. This SHOULD be a rifled arm- rifling was relatively shallow, black powder and wear may have removed much of it. Type of rifle that brought about the mutiny of the sepoys in India. VR is her majesty, Queen Victoria (Victoria Regina).

    Lot of reproductions out there, original is worth $$$. You need a hands on appraisal from someone that knows American Civil War period firearms.

    Does your's look anything like this?

    Pattern 1853 Enfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     

  3. geoben

    geoben New Member

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    Thanks c3 that was one of my favorite movies.
    The size of the bore and lack of adjustable rear sight makes me think it might be a P58/59 which the Brits provided the Indians to maintain superiority.

    Wasn't there also a Pattern 1842 that was smooth bore?

    Geoben
     
  4. geoben

    geoben New Member

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    Musket Identity

    I have done more investigation and now wonder if it could be a Pattern 1851because of the bore size and the type of rear sight.
    It also may have grooves but I can't tell if they are spiral.

    The only conflicting evidence is that the plate on the side says 1859 over the word ENFIELD.
    This side plate also has a small crown with a vertical arrow thru it and the number 4 stamped to the right of it.
    Could it be a Pattern 1851 with the side plate replaced since they only made the 1851 for a couple of years?

    Thanks Ben
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Quite possible- in that era, Frankenguns were not uncommon. Yes, the '42 was a smoothie. The arrow mark is likely the Brit "Broad arrow" that is the mark of military arms, sort of like the US "burning bomb" mark.