Help "Convert" me to a 1911 please...

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by feedsasquatch, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Ok, so I just started shooting guns again for the first time in 6 years (I just graduated from college and didn't have time for it). I have little experience shooting pistols, except for the 300 rounds I've put through my new Glock 23 over the last 2 months. I'm getting my concealed carry license this week, and due to many of this forums post, and my own research, I've decided that I want to carry the .45 ACP, and not the .40 S&W. So, since I've decided the .45 ACP is the best caliber, I'm trying to decide which gun is the best platform for that caliber...

    - I've considered getting a Glock 36 because I'm already familiar with Glock, and can get one for $600 new. I've shot the G30, and can control it better than my G23. However, I've heard from more than 10 reliable people that use Glocks that the G36 WILL jam if fired one-handed and "limp-wristed." I don't know if in a self-defense situation I'll always be able to have a death grip on my gun... will a 1911 due the same?

    - I've considered the Springfield XD. Similar to Glock, just as reliable, costs about the same, but a little more bulky, which is the main deterrent, as I'm 6'2" and 130 lbs (it's genetic).

    - And then there's the 1911, which seems to dominate the .45 ACP arena. I've seen lots of people recommend Kimber, Springfield, and Para. I think I can conceal one well, as they're thin. The weight on the Kimbers is low enough to make me more inclined to carry it every day. They just cost SO MUCH. I don't know if I can justify a $1,000 gun purchase. I really like the Kimber Pro Carry II, but need to find one to shoot first. I've also heard from more than one source that Kimbers and other 1911's require a break in period (which I guess means $150 in ammo to "break it in").

    So, can the 1911 fans here please give me the pro's of the 1911 over the Glock, and dispel my fears of cost, break in period, reliability, size for concealment, etc? I don't have the money to buy multiple guns, so I want the gun I buy for my first concealed carry to last a lifetime.
     
  2. dnthmn2004

    dnthmn2004 New Member

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    All I'm going to say, is get a 1911 instead of a Glock, please.:rolleyes:

    I'm certain JD will give you his input on the matter.
     

  3. layton

    layton New Member

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    I might add, since you seem to have decided on the caliber you want, the 45, you cant go wrong there, but you might want to find a Gun store/range that have several models for rent and and fire them and see which one you like and and which features you like.


    Layton
     
  4. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Yeah, I think there's a place not too far from where I live that has some 1911's, but I don't think they have the exact models I want to buy for rent. I should probably shoot the gun first before purchasing it I guess. I bought the Glock without shooting it because I loved the feel of it in my hands, but it didn't cost $1k...
     
  5. UnderFire

    UnderFire New Member

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    Spend some time with one (1911) you'll become a believer. ;)
    btw, all new guns have a break-in period.
     
  6. Ubergopher

    Ubergopher New Member

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    I've fired my personal Springfield XD, range 1911s and Glocks, and one personal 1911.

    If you're getting a glock, I'd fully recomend an XD instead. That extra grip safety makes me feel more comfortable the few occasions I do carry (open carry in a Blackhawk SERPA holster, no CCW for me right now.) as opposed to juts the trigger safety of a Glock.

    That being said, I wish I would of gotten a 1911 instead.
     
  7. NGIB

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    Not all 1911s are really picky and need long break in periods. The more expensive, target quality guns are generally built with very tight tolerances and do require some rounds down range before they smooth out. I would very much recommend a gun like my Colt Commander. Not horribly expensive ($695 NIB), well built and not exceedingly tight, and the perfect size for a carry 1911 - and it's a Colt...

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  8. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Go to the Knob Creek Gun Range and talk to Kenny in the store he can show you a lot of different 1911a1's, at differing price ranges. If I knew what day you were going there I would meet you and let you fire a few rounds through mine.
     
  9. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    I'll preface this statement with a few things.

    First, I've owned two Glocks. They were both nothing short of stellar. Never a failure to function, feed or fire of ANY kind, with ANY ammo. Simple to care for, dismantle, point, aim, shoot and shoot straight. Thousands of military personnel and law enforcement officers around the world put their trust in Glock firearms every single day and night. They're a fine pistol.

    I've also owned numerous other pistols and revolvers. I'm blessed to say that all of mine are or have been reliable, from Sccy and Rossi to Taurus and FN.

    I have 3 very good friends who all own Springfield XD pistols of various types and calibers. I also sold a few when I worked at a gun shop. I've shot them and watched them get shot a lot. They all worked very well and offer a massive amount of features for a very affordable price.

    I'll say something else: we're not car salesmen, though some of us COULD be (and some might actually be). What's right for Opaww or Gopher or Sarge or Canebrake might not be ideal for YOU. It may WORK for you, but it might not be IDEAL for you. Personal preference counts for a lot in the civilian firearms market because A) there are a lot of choices and B) there are a lot of different circumstances, preferences, shapes, sizes and locations that each demand a certain feature-set that one firearm may provide better than another.

    All that said:

    Having owned two Glocks and several other pistols and revolvers, I am now and have been for about a month, a proud 1911 owner. My choice was a stainless steel Colt Commander with a 4.25 inch barrel. I found mine for well under 1000 dollars and I'm sure you could too.

    So if I like my Glocks so much and think XD's are great and have owned everything from a Taurus .357 to an FN 5.7mm pistol, why a .45 now? For ME, it had a lot to do with history. Historically, in my opinion, no firearm has served its country and the world at-large so well as has the "classic" .45 1911 and its newer variants from various companies, save obviously the AK-47. Since its inception, the .45 was designed to do one thing well: put angry, motivated people intent on doing you harm, up-close and personal, on their asses and make them stay there, with as few necessary shots as possible. It does that very, VERY well. Good enough for me.

    The .45 ACP round and the pistols and submachine guns designed to shoot it like the Thompson, 1911 and "Grease Gun" were good enough for the "greatest Generation" to win World War 2. The pistol served the US well from World War 1 through Vietnam and into the eighties, and numerous soldiers, services, individuals and law enforcement who can choose their weapon still select it today. Good enough for me.

    While people bicker about the stopping power of a 5.56mm rifle round versus a heavier battle rifle round or argue about reliability and which pistol might blow up or fail to function or feed, when was the last time you heard that about a .45? When people compare stopping power against something with rifles, it's usually a 7.62/.308 rifle round in there somewhere. When they do so with pistols, it's generally a .45ACP round that winds up in the comparison. I feel that many of the rounds out there today exist because someone, somewhere said "how can we do this better than the .45?" Good enough for me.

    ALL that said, in the end only one thing matters: putting the weapon in your hand, pulling the trigger and making a determination after you've cleared the weapon and stepped back from the line. As I posted in other threads, after my VERY first magazine fired through my VERY first .45 for the VERY first time, my group was smaller than my fist, I had a smile on my face and my VERY first thought was "THIS is what I've been missing all this time!? Wow!" Good enough for me.

    The old addage is that you don't get something for nothing. Everything in life is a compromise and/or trade-off. Can you get smaller pistols and/or lighter pistols. Sure. But most weapons smaller than the smallest .45's achieve that smaller size by using a smaller round, from .40 and 9mm on down to .380. Will those stop a threat? You bet. All those rounds have killed plenty of people deader than Saddam's nuts. But that bigger .45 bullet stands a better chance of getting that one-shot drop.

    Can you get cheaper (less expensive) pistols? Absolutely. But once again there's that trade. Polymers for metal, for example. While this isn't to say that guns like Glocks, XD's, etc aren't reliable or as durable; test after test has proven they certainly are. But none have been around and served as well or reliably as the .45 for as long a time.

    In the end the .45 was right for ME because of the history behind it, its proven track record, its fit and finish, its stopping power and its function...not to mention its superb trigger pull and the ability to customize and individualize the weapon to suit the user's style, desires and personal needs.

    Try before you buy if you can. If the Glock or XD is for you, go for it. Neither is a bad decision. But the .45 costs more because you get what you pay for. Like many on this forum will say, if you start with a Glock or XD, you'll wind up with a .45. I did. You might. Only one way to find out!

    Josh
     
  10. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I agree with Joshx3, Go by what your confortable with and can use. All the fancy fire power does no one any good if they can not use it.
     
  11. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Again

    Josh x3 is dead on.

    What works for us may not work for you.

    We may not like glocks but if that is what you know and what you like who cares what some faceless name on the internet says, or what your buddy says. When you out shoot him and his fancy 1911 with your lowley glock you can say see it works for me.

    While I believe the 1911 is the be all end all semiauto pistol ever made. There is a reason glocks are popular. I myself don't care for the ergonomics of them. But hey you may love the feel of a glock in your hand. I can tell you this if you ccw a glock in a hot climate you will like it more than a big heavy 1911. Unless you spend the money and get the little shorty 1911.
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  12. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Josh! What an awesome post. If that doesn't inspire someone to strongly consider the 1911 .45acp, then they aren't rational.

    I've just sold my xd sub compact to help fund my 1911. The xd was flawless, good trigger, easy to weild and shoot. Accurate 'enough' at shooting range, but it just can't compare to a good 1911.

    I'm dead set on getting a Dan Wesson CBOB .45. :)
     
  13. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Excellent stuff JoshX3. :cool:
     
  14. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    or maybe a Colt commander. :D
     
  15. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    ::sniff::

    thanks guys!

    Woke up early this morning, got a little "churchin' up" and when I saw someone asking about a 1911 after my recent experience deciding on, shopping for and buying one, I figured I could say a few words.

    Good to know as a professional writer I can still use my words for good instead of evil. :)

    Have a great day everyone!

    Josh
     
  16. suprdave

    suprdave New Member

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    Just wanted you to know...You wrote that so well, that I got wood!:eek:
     
  17. Glenn R

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    If someone tells you they are inaccurate, kick like a mule, or jam alot, you can say:

    Yes, military guns are less accurate because they were made (loose tolerances) to be dropped in the dirt/mud/sand, picked up, wiped off and fired. Those were not built as target guns, those were built as service weapons - a job they did very well.

    Kick like a mule - many in the military never fired a weapon before. So naturally they thought the kick was awful. That is where that line came from; GI's coming home with no pistol experience other than a .45. Just like any other firearm you need to start small and work your way up.

    Jamming or 'stovepiping', well that is most likely caused by shooters who do not lock their wrists/elbows. You need a solid grip on a 1911 style pistol. In my early days I had a lot of jams until a shooting instructor told me to keep my elbows locked when shooting. Problem went away then.
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Damn good post JoshX3. It moved me so much that I stood up and saluted the monitor after reading it. HOOAAH!! :)
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2009
  19. Dillinger

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    I wish I could expound on what Josh said, and I suppose I could if I really put my mind to it, but here are the facts bro:

    Look, if you don't want a 1911, don't buy one. The rest of us will purchase the ones you don't buy.

    The 1911 is the pistol that every other pistol wishes it would be. The 1911 is the pistol of record for over 100 years of ACTIVE military service.

    Here is a short list of people that endorse the 1911, look them up in your spare time and see what you think:

    John Browning
    Col. Jeff Cooper
    Massad Ayoob
    Larry Vickers
    Eric Lee Haney
    Les Baer
    Dave Lauck
    Chris Whitcomb
    LAPD SWAT Team
    FBI HRT Team
    Tacoma PD
    Delta Force
    Navy SeAL Teams 1 thru 6

    Just a few folks who thought the 1911 was a "decent idea". When you find a list of guys who thought otherwise, let me know.

    JD
     
  20. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    Yo Dillinger that's a great addition! All very true and good points. However, you realize you just opened yourself up to the whole "well R. Lee Ermey is in all those Glock ads..."

    :)

    Honestly though if R. Lee stomped up in here right now and was like "YOU HAD BETTER START ****TING ME TIFFANY CUFFLINKS AND BY THE WAY GO BUY A GLOCK RIGHT NOW MAGGOT OR I WILL GOUGE YOUR EYEBALLS OUT AND SKULLF#*@ YOU!" I'd probably do both. lol

    Just sayin'