Help choosing a gun.

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Mike5150, Feb 28, 2010.

  1. Mike5150

    Mike5150 New Member

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    Hi there. I'm trying to pick out a handgun that my wife and 8 year old son can feel comfortable with. After a ton of reading I was set on getting the S&W Sigma 9mm (SW9VE). We happened to be at Bass Pro Shops yesterday and I decided to have her check it out. The Salesman also had us check out the Ruger P95. After we left she said she didn't like the P95, it was too top heavy and felt awkward. The Sigma felt comfortable in her hands, but she thinks it might be too heavy overall. We plan on going to a range and renting the gun for a while, but as I am very new to guns I don't know if the weight is something she will get used to. If it's not, I would like to have an idea of other guns to try while we are at the range. I would prefer to avoid a compact gun, and stick with something with a decent magazine capacity if possible. Since this gun is for self defense I also don't want to go any lower then 9mm. Something like the Sigma but a bit lighter maybe. Also cost is unfortunately a factor so it can't be really expensive.
     
  2. Mr. Bluesky

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    Well, if you think the Sigma's too heavy, there's not much you can go to without dropping to the sub-subcompacts, and those, while useful for carrying when you otherwise couldn't, are not comfortable to shoot.

    Magazine capacity should not be a consideration for you. If you hold up your end of the deal in a self-defense situation, a 5-round revolver will do its job, and if you don't plan to shoot well, you shouldn't be carrying in the first place.

    You could try a revolver. While not as much "fun" at the range, I find them more natural to point than an auto, and while it might feel front-heavy, that helps to keep on target for follow-up shots. You could get a .357 Mag and practice with .38 Spl for your wife, son, and wallet. Or, you could go with the .327 Federal, which gets better energy and penetration than a 9mm, with not as much recoil as the .357. The Ruger SP101 is a quality gun available in both calibers, and can be had quite cheaply.

    EDIT: If you're set on an auto, the Sigma is by no means a bad choice, but I'd go with a Springfield Armory XDm any day.
     
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  3. gadrooning

    gadrooning New Member

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    +1 on the revolver. A 357 is a good all round gun. But perchance the revolvers are not your taste. You might want to look into a SpingfieldXD or the Beretta Px4. Both are really reliable and shoot very well. The Px4 has 3 interchangable back straps to customize fit into your or you wifes hand. I have smaller hands so it fits my hands very well.
     
  4. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Have your wife check out the Ruger LCR, many here have one, including my wife and she absolutely loves that Revolver, her other pistol is the Ruger P345, and the SR9 check those out.
     
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  5. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

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    Mike 5150 :
    I don't know many 8 year olds that I'd trust shooting a semi-auto pistol. If your kid needs a gun, I say a .22 bolt rifle would be safer and plenty of fun. Matter of opinion and your boy may be responsible enough but that's my feeling.

    Take a look at the Glock 17 and 19. I doubt the other semi-autos will be as reliable. If you buy a Glock, get proper training and a secure holster. Keep it in the holster for safety's sake. If your only qualification is that your dad showed you how, you need more training, as the Glock does not forgive human error.

    If you want a revolver, look at the old S&W M&P Model 10 .38 Special with a 4" barrel and round butt. Six shots is all you are likely to need in a home defense situation. The gun is harder to shoot fast and accurately than a Glock but is even more reliable. Muzzle flip is greater but the shape makes it easy to draw fast.

    Did I just recommend a revolver without any manual safety catch ?!!!! Mercy sakes. ( LOL)
     
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  6. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Well, that is why we need to educate Children about the proper safety and use of firearms. They are never to young to learn. My 7 year old can shoot everyone of my Guns, from .22 rifle to AK to The Mosin, and from .22 Pistol to 1911. He shoots them all, Very Well. He is well aware of the dangers and all range etiquette. I have utmost confidence in his ability. I fear not.

    Mike5150, Teach you son the proper safety and shooting and you will have a bond with him and some very unforgetable moments. There is nothing a found more joy at than watch my son at the range for his first time shooting and the smile upon his face. That is something that will last a lifetime.
     

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  7. Mr. Bluesky

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    +1 to what Shihan said. Why wouldn't you trust a child to shoot a semi-auto at the range, Rentacop? Do you not trust yourself to teach him properly?

    The LCR, while great to carry, is not an optimal teaching or home-defense weapon.
     
  8. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Holy balogna Batman!

    If cost is a factor, DONT GO TO BASS PRO. They are typically 20% higher than most gun shops.


    Check out Summitgunbroker.com--> Firearms, Guns, Rifles. Grain Valley, Missouri.

    He has lots of used guns, priced well below any gunshop. Shipped to your FFL

    EXAMPLEs

    S&W 10 for $245
    Taurus mdl 80- $145
    SW40VE $235
    Rossi M88 Lady Rossi 38spc. $220
    Rossi M68 38spc $189
     
  9. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

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    Guys :
    Why wouldn't I trust an 8-year old ? Well, maybe it has to do with the 10-year old who couldn't keep a simple air rifle pointed downrange ( repeatedly ) and accidentally pointed it at my head.
    I was right beside him instructing him nicely, too.

    Or maybe I was thinking of the boy at the range who handled his rifle while his father was downrange and took issue with me when I told him that it was a good practice not to touch guns or ammo while someone is downrange...and then ignored me and went back to aiming his rifle downrange.

    Or maybe I was influenced by the Boy Scout leader who said he was seeing a weirder bunch of kids than ever before.

    Kids today, I dunno. ( LOL)

    Is it not true that kids can do things absentmindedly that adults would not ? If that is true, why have a kid routinely shoot a semi-auto pistol instead of the much more forgiving .22 rifle ?

    I admitted this is a matter of opinion but what is not a matter of opinion is that the boy pictured with the rifle above is not wearing eye protection ( no big deal but they'd flame me if I had posted the pic ).
     
  10. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I suggest leaving parenting to parents. Age is not relative, maturity is. I wouldn't trust you to teach my child.
     
  11. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    "...Take a look at the Glock 17 and 19. I doubt the other semi-autos will be as reliable. If you buy a Glock, get proper training and a secure holster. Keep it in the holster for safety's sake. If your only qualification is that your dad showed you how, you need more training, as the Glock does not forgive human error." ...Rentacop

    So Rentacop, you're saying a S&W or a Springfield isn't as reliable as a Glock? Have you ever owned and/or shot any semi-auto besides a Glock?

    Do yourself a favor and get over the Glock fanboy thing. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

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    skullcrusher-
    Oh, so now the personal insults start, eh ? You wouldn't trust me to instruct your child ?
    I guess you checked the registry of " known sex offenders ". Oh well. ( LOL)
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  13. Gojubrian

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    My 8yr old does just fine at the range. He listens to me and I'm not that great a trainer.

    I would go for a good S&W or Ruger .357 revolver. You can practice with 38specials as well. :cool:
     
  14. Mike5150

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    Wow! Tons of great information. I am very new to guns, this handgun along with a 12 ga shotgun for myself and a 20 ga for my wife and son will be our first guns. I have never shot a gun before, so before any of us do any shooting, we will be attending a gun safety class at our local gun shop/range. If I don't feel comfortable after this class I will look around for a better class before any of us shoot. I agree with what many of you said as far as my son goes. He is a responsible kid, and I trust him to take it seriously especially if he actually feels what it is like to shoot a gun. I would rather he learn as much as possible about gun safety and use with us to help guide him and answer questions, then have him stumble upon it and think it's a toy (not that I won't be keeping it locked up, but anyone with kids knows what they are capable of!). I can also understand Rentacop's point of view, my son has friends that are extremely hyper and seem to never take anything seriously. I'm not their parents, but if I were, I might have to think very long and hard about weather they should touch a gun. Hell, I have major reservations allowing them to use nerf guns in my house!

    As for the pistol itself, I was not planning on actually buying it at Bass Pro, we just happened to be there and they had the guns we were interested in. I will check out Summitgunbroker also, but was planning on buying from Budsgunshop.com unless the store we plan on going to will match their prices. I checked out most of the pistols you all mentioned, and although I think I like the S&W better, it looks like the Glock 19 that someone mentioned is about 4oz lighter, so I'll see if that feels better for my wife.

    Thanks for all your help! You guys are great!
     
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  15. DarinCraft

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    10 characters:rolleyes:
     
  16. stalkingbear

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    There's valid reasons for choosing a revolver for a 1st gun, especially for a woman & younger son with no experience. Just because they might be able to shoot a semiauto don't mean they can rack the slide. They may lack sufficient hand strength to load/unload/clean/or clear a malfunction. That's why a revolver is arguably the best bet for new/young shooters. You don't have to worry
    is the mag loaded,
    is the mag in the gun,
    is there 1 in the chamber,
    is it cocked,
    is the safety on,etc.
    With a revolver it's extremely simple to operate and don't require a grown man's grip strength to load. You can't get more reliable than a good revolver. It's also not dependant on bullet shape or weight. You can even shoot inexpensive lead bullet loads in a revolver interchangeably-unlike glocks.
     
  17. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Did you also take note of Firearm pointed downrange, finger off trigger even with him looking away. In an earlier post about the event I made mention of the eye protection. I did not get flamed because I do not impose my overwhelming Douchetasticness to every post.
     
  18. Rentacop

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    Don't worry guys. I won't apply to be your kids' instructor. I'm not sure I can even get you guys to understand anything ( LOL).

    A man posts that he's new to guns and everybody can't stand the idea of his 8-year-old having to shoot a .22 rifle until he's out of diapers. Okay, how many of you will agree to contribute $1000 to the " Rentacop Retirement Fund " in the unlikely event that this boy causes a gun accident with an "expert's gun" like the Glock ?

    I don't see any hands...

    Face it. It is silly to try to call names and ridicule a man whose handle is " Rentacop ".
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  19. Rick1967

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    My son is 11 years old. He is now able to shoot my 357 mag. It has not always been that way. He started with 22 rifles. He moved up to my ruger semi auto 22 pistol. He can now shoot many weapons. I believe the person with the picture of the 7 year old is pretty rare. His kid must be pretty tuff. My son has been shooting since he was about 5 years old. He can give me a run for my money. If you already know your kid can handle recoil thats good. But if not, you might get him a a 22 to start. I would be afraid of him developing a bad flinch or maybe even a fear of shooting if he gets too powerful too fast. My son loves to shoot. But I let him go at his own pace. Also my wife is 5'10" and well built. She can not rack the slide on most of my autos. Neither can either of my adult daughters. Some women have great upper body strength, some don't.
     
  20. DarinCraft

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    You're right, but you make so easy. You have brought new meaning to keyboard commando. Every piece of advice you have offered has been either unsafe or stupid. You complete the epitome of a 14 year old pimply faced little geeky kid who reads Soldier of Fortune too much. You don't know when to quit and certainly have no clue as to what you are talking about. You've been banned once for your borderline suicidal advice and yet you come back thinking we are picking on you for no reason. The reason everyone is flaming you is to ensure that no innocent person reading your posts takes you idiotic advice. Please go back to recharging the batteries for your airsoft and practice your "SWAT" poses in the mirror, because we don't need anymore Mall Ninja DB's here...we're all filled up.