Help - can you help identify?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by renegade, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. renegade

    renegade New Member

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    Need help identifying this small smoothbore shotgun. Single Shot. Breech load. Belgian Proof Marks. No Name. Barrel folds to Butstock. Near as I can tell the muzzle bore is about .40
     

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  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    It's interesting. Can you get some close up photos of the various rollmarks and anything else that may help identify it?
     

  3. renegade

    renegade New Member

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    Proof Marks on Barrel

    These are the markings found on either side of the barrel close to the breech end.
     

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  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Thanks, those will help. Now we need an expert to show up.
     
  5. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    "Liege" is arguably the most noted Belgian manufacturer.

    Apparently, this style was favored by poachers, as it was concealable, and Liege manufactured this style.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    As mentioned, these were frequently called "poacher's guns"- they would fold enough to fit under a cloak, down pants leg, etc. The stock is known as a skeleton stock- and yes, that should be a .410- but likely a TWO INCH .410, and possibly a black powder 410. The city of Liege was a hotbed of small cottage gunmakers, as well as the national proofhouse of Belgium. I don't have a maker's name for you, but did run across a sister gun, sidexside .folding .410, skeleton stock, priced at 575 L Sterling (minty condition)

    B.E. Chaplin - Gun Makers Shop - Gun Repairs - Game Shooting - Gun Alterations - English Shotguns
    Scroll down about 1/3 of the page.

    A possible (shot in the dark) maker would be A. Francotte. The side lever was characteristic of their actions, and IIRC, they were in Liege.
     
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  7. renegade

    renegade New Member

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    Interesting............ a poaching gun

    The gun displayed on the link to B.E. Chaplin is very similar

    THanks for the input!
     
  8. Hawg

    Hawg Active Member

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    It's proofed for black powder so do not use smokeless in it.
     
  9. BillDeShivs

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    Leige is a city in Belgium, not a maker.
     
  10. wmille01

    wmille01 New Member

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    it's a very nice looking gun, just thinking about it they make survival guns like that now. Kind cool that they had pretty much the same idea way back then.