Help a newb sort through the hog BS

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by DarinCraft, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    First, I have NEVER hunted large game, let alone dangerous game. I have only hunted birds and varmints. I do not like wheel guns or lever actions. My brother in law and I have decided to start hunting larger game (pig and hopefully elk) and I've been asking questions here and there and researching on the web.

    When I tell people I am going to hunt pigs with my 30-06 and my 45 as back up, I invariably get told...

    1) "You better get something faster than a bolt action, otherwise that pig will run your *** over."
    2) "Get an autoloader, because since you are new to hunting there is a good chance you will need to take multiple shots."
    3) "Don't carry that 45 you'll only piss it off"
    4) "Get a bigger upper for you AR and get a bigger backup"

    Can you guys help me out here. I bought the 30-06 to hunt elk and deer with and truthfully I am worried about the speed of a second shot with a bolt action. I've been very seriously considering getting a 458 Socom upper, but is it really necessary?

    What is fact and fiction with pigs?
     
  2. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Not to dissuade you from that manly SOCOM but I want you to think about the legendary "Great White Hunter" stalking the NYATI (N-Ya-Te, means "Cape Buffalo"), Rhino, Big Cats or Bull Elephant.

    Any of them use an auto loader? I'm not talking about the 10,000 # ft of energy required to drop any of those animals but the need for something faster than a bolt gun?

    Your 30 06 will serve you well, and so will your 45 ACP as a back-up.
     

  3. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    The reason I asked was because I know there is a lot of hazing that goes on and along with hazing goes BS.

    I do want to buy a 458 upper, but I know if I get into something like that, I need to get my brothers reloading press and learn how to reload.

    thanks
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    30-06 will plant a pig (or anything else in North America except large armored vehicles) if you put the bullet in the right place, and a second shot can be faster than you think, even from a bolt gun. And a .45 is better than many other guns. Pigs can be tough, and CAN do you serious harm. But do your part, rifle will do its part. For the .45, solids that function well in your pistol. You want penetration.
     
  5. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I would not hesitate to carry my 30-06 bolt action to hunt hogs. That rifle will drop things much larger then hogs without a problem. The 45 will hold it's own with FMJs as C3 mentioned, you want penetration. If I could pick, I would take my 357 with soft points but the 45 will be fine.
     
  6. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    Your 30-06 would be just fine. So would the SOCOM. The most important thing with any game is shot placement.
    A 460 Weatherby is useless if all you hit is trees:p

    We aren't allowed to hunt in PA with semi-auto's:mad:
    Here would be two non-semi alternatives for fast handling and deep penetration
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    My buds 45-70 guide gun and my Rem Mod 7600 "Amish Machine Gun" in 35 Whelen:D
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    Pigs are not as tough as some make them out to be. The key is penetration and hitting vital areas. .30-06 is more than enough gun. Since pigs seem to like brush a good pair of Kevlar pants will help. They are hot, but better than getting chewed up. They also afford an extra level of protection from a rouge pig, although I've never seen one. You may find that most shots are 50..75 yards out unless you are in a tree stand. I normally don't carry a sidearm, just more weight if you are tracking and stalking them. I perfer a light weight rifle. I use a 6.5x55 bolt gun that weighs in at 6.2lb w/ the scope. My other walking gun is a BLR in .308, about 7lb w/ scope. For open sights a 9.3x57 bolt gun. None of these has the power of a .30-06, but again penetration and a quality bullet are more importent than bullet velocity and weight.
     
  8. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Thanks for the replies. I thought I would be ok, but I didn't wanted to call BS and be wrong. I found a website last night called texasboars.com and read every article written by the founder of the site. I'm glad I talked to you guys and read his article's. If I would have gone hunting without the info I got, I would have probably gotten hurt.

    I had no idea they laid in covered brushy dens and had poor eye sight. I would have been looking where they weren't going to be and letting my guard down where they most likely were going to be. Then if I would have been lucky enough to get a shot, I would have aimed for the area behind the shoulder, which now I know you either aim for the neck or the shoulder itself.

    The guy on that site actually autopsies a boar to show you where to shoot and he preaches shot placement.

    Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.
     
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  9. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Don't knock that 7600, my father in law shot one of those for years in 30-06. It's a great gun and I like the detachable mag.
     
  10. stalkingbear

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    The 30-06 with the right bullet/load will be more than plenty for any hog you'll encounter. I do recommend at least at least a .41 magnum if you're going to hunt with the handgun.
     
  11. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Thanks for the info. I am only carrying the 45 as backup, I don't know how reliable of a threat stopper a 45 would be if I were to use it as a primary.

    Darin
     
  12. Gatekeeper

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    Lol. Not knocking it. I love it!
    Light, fast, accurate and the whelen hits hard.
    It is probably my favorite hunting rifle I own.-----Gate
     
  13. crossfire

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    Not a single question about the rifle. A .30-06, as noted, will take out anything. If you want to spend money, upgrade the .45 ACP to .460 Rowland.
     
  14. alsaqr

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    I hunt hogs at least two days a week 12 months of the year. Most of my wild hogs have been killed with a .50 muzzleloader. Have also killed a lot of hogs with guns ranging from .22 long rifle to .35 Whelen. A .30-06 loaded with a 150 or 180 grain bullet is sudden death on hogs when the bullets are put in the right place. Put any bullet in the wrong place and you have a hog that will run off to die a lingering death. If the hog is broadside I put the bullet low just behind the foreleg. If the animal is at 100 yards or less the bullet goes in his ear or just behind the ear.

    I keep a pair of Kevlar chainsaw pants in the truck to go after wounded hogs in thickets. Have been chased by hogs four times: Twice by big wounded boars, once by a boar that answered the distress cry of a wounded sow and once when I got between a sow and her pigs.

    Many of the wild hogs here have Eurasian boar blood and some are genuine Eurasian boars. A friend was knocked down by a big sow that he was not aware of until the animal hit him. Luckily, the guy was wearing a .45 on his leg because the sow turned and came charging back. That sow had never had a litter of pigs. I'm aware of several cases of unprovoked attacks on hunters. One of these days someone here is going to get seriously hurt by a wild hog.

    The heart and lungs of a hog are much lower in the body than those of a deer:

    Dixie Slugs
     
  15. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Thanks for the advice. I have been doing a lot of research on a site called "texasboars.com." He actually autopsied a boar and showed where a shot needed to be placed. As far as getting hurt, that is why I posted this question in an effort to get educated on the subject. I learned a long time ago that I would rather look foolish by asking a question than to venture out ignorant and get hurt.
     
  16. Tuner

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    I agree with jpatt that hogs do not appear to be as tough as one might anticipate. Over the past 10 years I have probably accounted for 15 or more hogs and saw a bunch more taken. Saw about 20 this past Saturday, no shots taken. Took 6 with a 10 in. .44 Contender and cast bullets; all but 2 were dead right there. Two took a second shot but that was my fault, not the best first shot placement. The largest hog I saw taken was shot with a ..243 Win. shooting 100 gr. Sierra bullets. Shot placement by the young hunter was marginal, a bit too far back on a broad side shot. The hog probably weighed 175 pounds and at impact made it five feet and it was all over. Too many hunters worry about the speed of a follow up shot rather then the accuracy of the first shot. If you can handel your equipment well and know good shot placement don't have a second thought. I would probably opt for 180 Gr. bullets in the 06 and 230 Gr. in the pistol.
     
  17. Mount_Sannine

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    Nice thread, and interesting posts.

    We hunt wild boars too in Lebanon and we have two species of them, the native ones that live in South Lebanon and another newly introduced specie that lives North of Lebanon.

    Some of the specimens that have been shot in the South weigh 250Kgs (550 pounds!) with bad *** tusks. The ones in the North have been introduced from France and are smaller in size. They have been bred in an enclosed area then released. Their proliferation has been very successful since they have no predators, exept the few hunters that go after them. These are the ones that we hunt since the South as some of you might know is where Hizballah and the UN troops are located; so it is not exactly a walk in the park there :). Funy thing is that some boars in the South die because of Land Mines!

    Anyways, here is what we basically do.

    First we look for tracks and for signs that indicate that the pigs are visiting a certain area. They leave obvious signs in the areas where they feed at night because they dig the dirt excessively plus the terrain where we hunt them is mountainous, so this makes it easier to identify the path that they are going to use.

    We then assign shooting posts where we hide and wait for them at dusk and during the night.

    We take into consideration the dominant winds so that the boars will not smell our presence while accessing their feeding area.

    The location of the shooter should also have visibility to 40 meters (aprox 44 yards). And last but surely not least, these posts should never be in the way of the fleeing boars!

    We use Semi Automatic Shotguns loaded with either 4 or 5 cartridges depending on the brand of the gun, with cartridges that have 9 pellets per cartridge, (not sure about their technical name in english). We also carry back up handguns, just in case...

    The shotguns are equipped with strong flash lights mounted near the end of the barrel, these lights can be easily turned on and off with a switch near the trigger (you get my drift).

    From there on it is all about patience and adrenaline. :)
     
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  18. hunter Joe

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    I went on one hunt in Tenn. a few years back so I ain't no expert. I carried a T/C Contender in 30-30. The T/C did a great job and was real easy to carry while hiking up and down those damned hills chasing dogs. I now have an Encore pistol in .308 and can't wait to to it again. oink, oink.
     
  19. Road_Hogg2XL

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    In Arkansas and Texas I use a Remington 742 30.06 with a .357 S & W as a back up. This is for hunting without dogs. If we have dogs, the guns are not as important.
     
  20. hunter Joe

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    Do you use a big-ol-knife if you got dogs?