Hello! Newbee here

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by LeeMD, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    Hey guys, I have just joined the forum and started to get into guns & home safty.

    Due to recent events, I need to arm myself. What would you guys recommend as my first handgun? I have looked at Berretta, and Glock but dont really know the difference. Our gun story salesman are no help, and can't really answer any of my question.

    1. Is .45 enough to "stop" someone, not necessary kill him/her just stop him.
    2. Since I dont have any prior experience with guns, is there any good books I can read?
    3. What about home safety training class or any other tactical classes? Are there any in Maryland? Or how do I found out if there are any offered?
    4. Should I buy a .22 first for target practice? Since the ammo is much cheaper than .45? And I am sure I will probably use lots of ammo, right?

    Thank you guys
     
  2. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the forum.

    1. If you shoot at someone, you want to kill them. You aren't shooting to wound, shoot to kill and end the threat. Not only is this for your personal safety but your legal safety as well.

    2 & 3. There are many books you can read and classes you can take. Find a local gun range and ask what they have to offer. if they don't offer anything they should be able to point you in the right direction.

    4. A 22 is a great starter pistol as well as a training tool(not to mention fun, cheap plinking) but is a poor choice for self/home defense.

    Are you sold on a 45 or are you open to ideas? Nothing wrong with a 45 but there may be better options for a new shooter.
     

  3. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    I am open to new ideas, spittinfire.

    The saleman at the gun store keeps telling me about .45, so I assume that's the gun. What do you have in mind?

    Actually, the local range only offers gun cleaning or range class...nothing about safety or tactical training. Ohh well, I guess I will google it.
     
  4. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    For a person new to guns I would start with a revolver. They are easier to use and learn. For self defense if for some reason there is a misfire you just squeeze the trigger again where with a semi auto you'll need to learn correctional action and practice it.
    I would recommend a 357 because you can shoot 38s thru it. The 38 is a decent self defense round and is cheaper to shoot then a 45 or 357 for practice and learning. You'll need to spend a lot of time with the weapon and if you can afford ammo, you wont practice. Once you get comfortable you can step up to 357 which is a well known man stopper.
    I armed my wife with a Ruger SP101 which can be had for $400-500 depending on your area and will serve you for a lifetime, even with hot magnums.
     
  5. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    In general, sales folks at gun stores are a terrible place to get good information.

    Any modern pistol round, from .380 up to .45 will do the job as long as you do your part with shot placement. The choice of caliber depends on a lot of factors - not the least of which is ammo cost. Just buying a gun doesn't prepare you for a defensive role - lots of practice is required to get proficient. The need to fire lots of rounds is one reason many folks start with a 9mm as their first self-defense gun - it's much cheaper to shoot than all the other standard calibers. The choice of gun is very personal as we each have our likes and dislikes. The best bet is to find a range that rents guns and try some out...
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the FTF community.

    I echo Spittinfire's sentiments.
     
  7. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    Thank you Spittinfire.

    Isn't like a .45 can carry more ammo than a revolver? Well, if I ever would to use the gun, I think 6 rounds should be enough? LOL!

    Do you keep your gun close by, or locked up? What I have read so far is that, guns should be locked up at all time...That's not too useful if I really need to use it.
     
  8. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    A locked up unloaded gun is no better than a brick or large rock, only good for throwing....once. If you have children in the house, they need firearms training, just like you. Being a gun owner carries plenty of responsibility.

    When I feel like it, I carry my weapon. Other times, it is within reach. When I am feeling foolish or have the perimeter alarm set, I will leave it in the bedroom, but the 12 gage is always handy right around the corner. With recent robberies in the area and the worsening economy, thieves here have realized the police respond from 50 miles away and won't arrive for hours. Needless to say, i carry my weapon often.
     
  9. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    Welcome to the forum!

    My suggestion for a first gun is to keep it simple. A revolver is a good choice, there are plenty of calibers to choose from or if you want to ease into it a .22 is a great way.

    A locked up gun is about useless for immediate home defense. Think about how much time you think you would have should an intruder enter your home. Your weapon needs to be easily accessible and ready to fire in less than that time in order to be effective.
     
  10. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    Welcome to the FTF.

    lots of good advice here.
     
  11. canebrake

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    First I echo what spitty posted with the following editorial;

    Do you intend to carry? That will send you in an entirely different direction than just home defense.

    If carry is in your future, please read this:

    Read this before you decide to carry!

    If home protection is your choice then a shotgun is your answer.

    By your own admission, you have no firearms experience. If a handgun is necessary, your best choice is a .357 Rem Mag revolver. Simple to use, maintain and conceal. Plenty of stopping power and it will shoot the less expensive and powerful .38 Spl. for practice.

    BUT, before you purchase, I think a paradigm shift is required if you want to arm yourself for personal protection. I hope that change occurs after you read the above article. May I be blunt?

    The second you strap on a firearm you enter a zero-defect activity. You must understand that if this endeavor is undertaken before ALL the criteria are met only bad things will result! The tiniest mistake can/will put you in a cage or a box. (Especially in your state!)

    If I may, your OP quote: "Is .45 enough to "stop" someone, not necessary kill him/her just stop him."

    Let me answer your question with a question. Do you think the Bad Guy you have decided to protect yourself against is thinking about stopping, not killing you?

    I think Col. Jeff Cooper summed it up best when he stated; "One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure, and in some cases I have, that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy."

    Here's another thought, "Never shoot to kill, shoot to LIVE!"

    It is the desire of this forum to introduce "new" shooters to a safe and enjoyable experience. That can only happen if you follow the recommendations of the experienced and do your homework of reading, training and asking questions. If you should enjoy 10% of what I have as a firearms owner you will be one happy camper!

    Read, read, read!
    Train, train, train!
    Ask, ask, ask!
    and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!
     
  12. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    Thank you Canebrake, lots of good information. Yeah, my state has very strict law against guns...

    I will try out the .357 at my local gun range, and I probably should get something that my wife can use as well right?
     
  13. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I meant no offence with my frankness but I, like all our members, take firearm stewardship very seriously.

    This is one of the finest, concealable 357 revolvers that would fit your first gun needs and a great hand-me-down for your SO in the near future.

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    Ruger LCR-357 ^

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    And my Elsie Ahrrr in .38Spl +P ^


    You will soon discover that your first firearm is just a stepping stone to building a personal collection. This is due to the fact that there is no “best” gun, only guns that perform the “best” in a given use. And if you are like most of our members, always finding new uses (read: new guns) to peruse.
     

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  14. Yunus

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    Cressup in Frederick is a decent public range.

    If you can get your wife to enjoy shooting from the beginning, it will probably make your life easier when you start drooling over some of the guns you will want in the future.

    Did anyone warn you that firearms tend to be an addictive hobby? You won't be happy with just one, don't say you were not warned. :)
     
  15. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    haha. Yeah, I have heard. Frederick is kinda of too far from me, more than an hour drive. I have googled few range near my house, and going to try few guns before buying one.
     
  16. LeeMD

    LeeMD New Member

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    Luv your freakness, sir. You are a great help, and I will take your advice seriously. No doubt about that!
     
  17. Logan2302

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    First carry

    Threads like this one with multiple points tend to get wordy sometimes. May I make a suggestion?

    Ask yourself exactly why you need or want a handgun. Like some of the guys have said, this answer is not as simple as we would think. Take several days, be sure of your answer.

    Then go through your mind all the different scenarios you can think of, for what ever the reason you come up with. If you decide on target practice, you'll have laws to learn, techniques to master, safety issues, etc, etc. If you decide on personal defense, you'll have the same issues to deal with, plus more. If you decide on concealed carry, you got all the above plus lots more like personal safety, family safety, bystanders safety, when/when not to shoot, and so on. Some people, including myself, believe that if you carry concealed you need to be as informed about the laws of the states your going to carry in as LEO.

    It's way too early to talk about brands and types of handguns, and law speculation until you can answer the above quickly from the heart. Somethings you just can't take back.
     
  18. WDB

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    Welcome to FTF! Lots of good advice already given and expect I will repeat some of it.

    The best investment you can do right now is find a range that rents and offers training. Learn about firearms, understand your needs/ability and get the training to make certian you are able to use the firearm if needed. After doing that the right pistol to buy is an easier choice.

    Bottom line the best pistol in the hand of a person who isn't trained to use it is worth far less than a lesser pistol in the hand of a person who trained to use it.
     
  19. doctherock

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    Good to have you here. Welcome to the FTF.
     
  20. notoriousM3

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    Lee remember the rule of 3's....most self defense encounters are 3 shots, from 3 feet, in 3 seconds!:eek: