HD Shotgun question

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Kain, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. Kain

    Kain Member

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    Ok, So my uncle asked me, and I'm asking here (since I know almost NOTHING about shotguns)

    He lives in an area that's quickly becomming very rough (3 home invasions on his street this year) He has several pistols and rifles in his house, but they're mostly .22lr So he wants a shotgun for home defense. He wants a tactical, pump action 12 gauge. As the sound of a shell being chambered is usually enough to deter most invaders and if not the buck shot shortly therafter usually renders most would-be thieves rather dead. But he's a bit short of funds (else he would move) so, what would you guys suggest? I recommended a Mossberg as I know it can be had for around $300 and fits all of his criteria. Any other suggestions? Also, what is a good shell for HD? I assume if it'll bring down a deer, buckshot will subdue a human as well but I could be wrong. All helpful advice is appreciated.
     
  2. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    Recent shotgun convert

    I am fairly new at this stuff so take my thoughts with a sprinkle of salt. I have owned a shotgun (Mossberg 500) for a long time, but thought that I was going to need handguns and an AR15 to really be ready for BG's coming in my home.

    Recently, I finally got around to learning how to take down my Mossy. The experience has gotten me much more in touch with the thing. I have gotten to the point now that if I heard that horrible sound of a cracking door frame or whatever, I would certainly first grab the shotgun.

    Well, that all said, I load Remington 2-3/4" Express 00-buck. I've got a few other kinds of shells (Federal low-recoil, Remington Magnum 3"), all in 00-buck, but I keep the Express in there. It seems that on a limited budget, one could buy a box of 25 and be ready for almost anything that comes through the door.

    If I had the extra half-minute, I'd definitely grab the handgun, too, but the shotty is leading the way.
     

  3. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

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    Mossberg 500 is the way to go for "Bang for your Buck." Also there are beaucoup aftermarket goodies for this shotgun. My brother has a 500 with a 28" bbl. that he bought a 18-1/2" barrel, a magazine tube extension, and ghost ring sights. He changes back and forth for whatever configuration he wants shotgun to be.

    .00 Buck or .000 Buck will get the job done. However, #4 shot also works good.
     
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  4. ta1588

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    I keep #1BK 00BK and slugs for my Shotguns. At close ranges they'd all be sufficiently devastating to an aggressor. As for brand of shotgun...Mossbergs are great, Remingtons are great, and even the NEF pardner protector i got for $219 is a great, reliable shotgun. Kind of hard to go wrong with any selection and they all have the options to go "tacti-cool" if the urge ever arises.
     
  5. matt g

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    I'm a big fan of using single trigger coach guns for home defense. I don't like brandishing and letting the bad guys know that I'm about to clean some clocks. With 2 barrels of 3" 00 buckshot you're going to do serious damage to someone, even if they're wearing armor.

    Once you've laid those 2 rounds into the first guy, I can guarantee that his buddies will ruin their pants and run.
     
  6. Kain

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    He picked up a used Mossberg 500 (18" barrel) at a pawn shop for $200. Loaded up with 00 buckshot. Thanks for the suggestions gents.
     
  7. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    First, totally forget that racking the slide to send them fleeing BS. It just might be some armed crackhead and all you did was pinpoint your location. Either a Massberg or a Remington 870 pump should be good for his purposes, and if he buys used he can save even more, and should be able to get out the door around $200. You do not need pistol grips, buttstock ammo holders, or any of the other tactical do dads for true home defense. A good 12 gauge pump shotgun and 5 rounds of buckshot will take care of just about anything.
     
  8. stalkingbear

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    I'd hesitate to use 00 buckshot if you don't want to go through the walls and injure/kill a family member/neighbor on the other side, I have the 1st 2 loads in my own personal HD shotgun loaded with 2 3/4" magnum #4 turkey loads. After those 2 shots it's loaded with #4 buckshot. If you have any question about a turkey load's effectiveness, just go shoot at plywood or a 2x4 at the range you expect to shoot at during home defense. Most people don't realize a shotgun-even with open choke-spreads much less than what they would expect at close range.
     
  9. masterPsmith

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    I too use #4 in my HD shotgun for the same reasons. Over penetration could be your worst nightmare with others living in the house. I also carried #4 in my duty shotgun when I was LE.

    Jim..............
     
  10. IGETEVEN

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    Actually, any shotty load, #4 bird shot to .00 will do much damage, but I prefer the #4 bird shot in close quarters in a HD situation. 30 to 50 feet, aim high, upper chest, neck, head or aim low, stomach, groin and legs. It will detour, maim or kill. All will remove and penetrate tissue, penetrate eyes and cause organ damage, and breathing problems.

    It really all boils down to the size of the mess you want to clean up afterwords. ;)

    Jack
     
  11. Jess

    Jess New Member

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    Indeed, no one wants a big mess, you'll have enough company coming...
     
  12. 1919A4

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    Please note that there is a major difference between #4 birdshot and #4 buckshot.

    The latter is a credible defensive round; the former only works well if you're being attacked by waterfowl.
     
  13. suprdave

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    Wrong.

    Take it to the range, and test it. Then come on back and retract your statement. Does work well on waterfowl, too.
     
  14. OlPainless

    OlPainless New Member

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    We are talking home defense here right? You must live in a big ass house but for us normal folk at home defense ranges anything coming out of a 12g would make a mess.
     
  15. 1919A4

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    I have over two decades in law enforcement. I have carried shotguns, trained regularly with shotguns and fired a shotgun in an actual deadly-force situation. I have also seen the results of their use against the human body numerous times. There is a major difference between putting a bunch of little holes in a piece of paper hanging up at your range and actually stopping a live person who is bent on doing you harm. I stand by what I wrote.
     
  16. suprdave

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    I guess you are missing my point. #4 birdshot is a damn fine home defense load. Especially, if I don't want to shoot my son in the adjacent room.

    Are you saying that it won't stop a man?
     
  17. IGETEVEN

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    With all due respect to you sir, especially a LEO, and not to get into a "who has the bigger set" contest, I too have fired a shotgun in actual deadly-force situations. I too have also seen the results of their use against the human body numerous times and at 20-25 feet with #4 bird shot or #4 buck shot, along with other larger loads, there is considerable tissue damage, tissue loss and trauma, especially to the face and neck and other soft tissue areas, and especially if you pump another round in that direction. That distance, no matter the choke setting.

    Now, if you are implying to make the encounter short and sweet and just outright blow off a partial body part and pretty much kill with a one shot round, you are correct sir, bigger loads are better, but I thought one would want to stop or disable the lethal threat with the least amount of lethal force needed, while not endangering yourself, and especially others in the home, no?

    It really all boils down to the size of the mess you want to clean up afterwords with load size.

    Jack
     
  18. skullcrusher

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    In a home invasion scenario at close range, those turkey loads that stakingbear mentioned would create meat splatter everywhere. Now, if you are talking about 30-40 yards, that is different. This is a home defense discussion.