Hd controversy

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by TooStrongTerry, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. TooStrongTerry

    TooStrongTerry New Member

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    So...I've been thinking...everyone on this forum has their perfect HD weapon.

    To my understanding a shotgun is everyones best option...and I tend to agree...but...

    For the people who's next choice is a large caliber rifle/handgun...I do not understand.

    So what I do not understand is WHY no one picks a 22lr...most are compact light and quick to get into the "ready to fire" position...22s are supposed to be ideal in a zombie situation...why not in a HOME. I'm not talking battlefront is a mass open field with 100s of troops. I'm talking you and your wife in your living room and some ahole tries to get in...idk about you...but I don't wanna get shot PERIOD. idc what the caliber. I'm pretty sure the intruder feels the same...I'm not the best shot but I'm pretty sure I can pick off a couple head shots at 20ft no problem...and most 22s carry high capacity mags...who says you have to shoot em once? Even if I miss the head lol

    Ok...GO! :D

    @TooStrongTerry
     
  2. PlaysWithZombies

    PlaysWithZombies New Member

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    While a .22lr can be just as lethal as say, a .45 or .357 or what have you, it doesn't have any real stopping power. I know some people will argue it doesn't matter if you have good shot placement, but i'd rather have good shot placement WITH stopping power.
     

  3. Hectocotylus

    Hectocotylus New Member

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    My wife has a .22 on her side of the bed because she is comfortable shooting it. While it might not knock any one down it beats the heck out of a stout stick. A .22 will kill anybody, but it maybe tomorrow by the time it does unless you have great shot placement.
     
  4. ar10-nut

    ar10-nut New Member

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    You put 2,3,4 rounds of .22 in an intruder at non-critical locations you are most likely going to have 2 outcomes. 1) they turn and run 2) they come at you full force.
    You are not going to get off more than 4 rounds if they are coming at you full force.

    You put 1 round from my 1911 with a HD hollow point round in a non critical location, they are going down.

    Nuff said...
     
  5. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I find the 22lr best reserved for plinking and mafia hit men. :cool:
     
  6. PlaysWithZombies

    PlaysWithZombies New Member

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    +1,000 when it's time to defend myself and my family, i'll stick to my .45
     
  7. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    My first line of defense is my always-on-me Glock 20sf 10mm.
    Second line is the Calico M-110 pistol w/ Laser on my Wifey's side of the bed...
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    Third line is my twin Calico Liberty III pistols...which I would pick up after emptying the 10mm, while Wifey covers with the Calico.
    Avatar pic...

    Why a Calico M-110?? 100-rds per mag of .22lr Hyper-Velo will put a damper on ANYONE'S night...
    and it is low recoil...and it'll give me time to get the 9mm Calico's ready....for whatever is left after she unloads down the hallway ;)
     
  8. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    Oh...and anything less than a 100-rd mag of .22lr ain't quite enough...IMHO
    If you are going to use an inferior man-stopping caliber, best to use a LOT of it ;)

    And yeah, a local cop shot a guy with a .22lr who was approaching him with a knife...
    the bad guy sat down right there on the ground and cried...stomach wound...
    but that ain't the kinda instant stop I'm looking for...
    which is lots of holes in the Bad Guy and lots of bleeding, which usually stops all but the worst meth/crack-heads.
     
  9. kycol

    kycol New Member

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    I agree a 22 lacks the stopping power of any of the larger calipers. But for say my wife for instance only feels completely comfortable shoots my 22's and has no problem getting it in her hand if things don't seem right. So I have trained her on my 22 revolver a high standard the marshall 9 shot. I told her if she ever needs to pull the trigger keep shooting until she here's a clck with no boom.
     
  10. Dan308

    Dan308 New Member

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    I've seen a big biker stump his toe and hop around for 10 minutes. A couple of .22's are sting a lot more than that.
     
  11. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    In a defensive situation, your goal is to stop or kill the assailant... not to make him feel bad.

    If the .22 is all I have, then it is a good thing that a .22 allows for more shots on target in quick time than any other round. But there is no getting around the fact that the .22 is a significant compromise.
     
  12. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I really think if you are going to have a weapon for SD it should be something made for that. The old argument that it is better than nothing is just so illogical. A bicycle is better than walking but I don't think anyone is going to give up their car. Yes by all means if you are out plinking with your 22 and you need to defend yourself, use it. But why would anyone buy a 22 for the purpose of SD.
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I think if someone feels they can only handle a .22, then it should be a .22 that they have at bedside.

    I, myself, would reach for my .357 revovler first and foremost.
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the 22 has been and is used as HD weapon. i don't personally feel it's the best choice nor would it be my first choice. IMO, it just doesn't have the proper stopping power of larger centerfire calibers do. yes we can argue that people have been killed with one well placed shot from a 22, but this just isn't common, and i wouldn't want to trust my safety and well being to chance and luck. remember, in this type of situation, it will be stressful and you might not be afforded the opportunity to take slow and careful aim.
     
  15. TooStrongTerry

    TooStrongTerry New Member

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    Yeah I'm getting a 40 s&w carbine tomorrow ...that'll be at my bedside

    @TooStrongTerry
     
  16. BodySnatcher

    BodySnatcher New Member

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    Wife has a FNX40 at the bedside. I have the mossy 500. I'm just Ole Cletus on clean up. She'll nail anything before I even wake up.

    40 loaded with Federal HST and the mossy has Remy #1 buck.

    We also have an AK at the ready and a 9mm. But the 9 is not impressive, definitely does not penetrate like the 40. The AK is for quick response to OWS/Zombies/SHTF.
     
  17. Todd_

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    I have seen people shot with .22 rounds, in the head, where the bullet followed the contour of the skull around the head. It couldn't penetrate the thicker frontal plate. This could very well have been the angle the shooter was at when shooting, but I have only PERSONALLY responded to three GSW calls in my EMS career... One was a 9mm that entered in the mans left chest, crossed through and punctured his right lung, and exited the right back next to the scapula. The second was a self inflicted GSW to the head, a .45 caliber 1911 (not a bad looking piece, I'll give him that) that entered through the roof of his mouth and did significant damage through and out the top of his head. The third was the .22 shooting where the man got hit twice, once in the arm and once in his head, entering his left forehead and following the contour of the skull around to the rear left portion of his head and editing there. Head wounds bleed a bit, but this was a lucky man. I have heard of this happening before, specifically with the .22 caliber, and haven't heard so much about, nor seen evidence of, a larger caliber performing in this manner. If all I have is a .22, let em fly. If I have access to a 9mm, .40, .45, or rifle/shotgun, then I'll choose one of those.
     
  18. primer1

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    If I let the old lady drive and she freaks out and takes out a mailbox, fire hydrant, and a park bench, then says "I'm more comfortable on a bicycle", she's gonna ride the damn bike! :D If all she is comfortable with is a .22, by all means let her use it.
     
  19. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    When dealing with self defense when you pull the trigger it should go boom every single time. Spend any time at all plinking with a 22lr and you will experience clicks instead of booms.

    Rimfire priming systems have a terrible track record of spotty ignition. With a gun like a ruger mk series failure drill is fast and the only real issues are fail to fire due to faulty ammo. The click no boom is just not something i care to ever experience in a sd situation.

    Zombies dont shoot back you got time for failure drills.

    If all i have at hand is one of my 22lr i will use it but i try never to be in that situation.
     
  20. canebrake

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    +1

    When asked why she shot the goblin nine times her answer should always be, "I ran out of ammo." :eek:

    "It's not enough to shoot them until you think they're dead, you have to shoot them until they think they're dead."