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Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by jeepboy4life, May 7, 2013.

  1. jeepboy4life

    jeepboy4life New Member

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    I've been reading a lot of the talk on here about home defense shot guns. But when I'm reading through all I see is talk of pump action, why is pump preferred over semi auto? I personally prefer semi auto myself as I own 2 Remington 1100's. Just want to see everyone's take on this subject.
     
  2. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Reliability. Experience. Cost. Maybe capacity.
     

  3. jeepboy4life

    jeepboy4life New Member

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    You can hold the same capacity in same though, you can get tube adapters for both, and I can see reliability if the person owning the gun doesn't take care of it, I have never (knock on wood) had one of my 1100's jam, and I have 20,000 through my 12 ga and 1000 through my 20 ga.
     
  4. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    I'm sorry, were you asking a question or arguing in favor of semi-automatic shotguns for HD?

    Configuration choices of semi-autos for HD have also been considerably comparatively limited. That's probably more effect than cause as, well, that's not what people generally gravitate to. For almost any shotgunning.
     
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  5. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    The reasons you see put forth for pump shotguns for HD are the same reasons that the majority of people buy Rem. 870's and Mossy 500's for every other aplication, over 1100's and 5900's.

    1) cost
    2) reliability
    3) familiarity
     
  6. jeepboy4life

    jeepboy4life New Member

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    I was asking, I was just pointing out that I doubt it was capacity, and the reliability I was agreeing with you while also disagreeing, I guess its a natural defense to defend my semi auto shotguns...
     
  7. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

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    This HD works for me as a back up

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  8. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    For me I just prefer a pump action shotgun. The act of working the action almost forces the shooter back on target. I really like pump action rifles for the same reason.
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the reason for pumps over semi is purely reliability. spend any time at all with a semi shotgun you will see they can be finicky with ammo.

    a pump gun stick any 12ga in the tube its gonna work. you cant always be picky about whats available in the caliber/gauge of choice with your defensive firearm. thats why people pick pumps when it comes to shotguns.

    there is just a HUGE varience in powerlevels of various shotshell ammo of any type.
     
  10. Sgt_Skrb_25

    Sgt_Skrb_25 New Member

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    I personally own two pump actions. I think hat most people perceive that just racking a round will deter intruders. I get that , but why the hell are you clearing the house with out one in the pipe! I prefer the pump for reliability. I know there are great auto shotguns out there, but I personally will trust a basic pump with my life over auto.
     
  11. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    For true home defense I am perfectly comfortable with one of my 1100s. They are certainly not unreliable in my 50 years experience with them, especially with buck or slugs. Of course, I would also be comfortable with my Wingmaster or one of my SxSs. If one wants to modify their shotgun that is their right, but I don't see the need - just for HD. If a platoon of bad guys drives out to get me, after I nail the first one or two, the rest can just stand outside and spray the house with their assault rifles - the preferred weapon of criminals according to the gun haters - and they will likely get me whether I have one round or five left, with or without a gun mounted light, too.
    A pump action is likely to be more reliable throughout a wide range of conditions, because it will work as long as the shooter does, if it ain't broke.
    To me, tactical and home defense are two different things. A lot of people like the tactical look. A home defense gun may not be suitable for tactical, but a tactical gun will do fine for home defense, it just has stuff you don't really need in that service. I'm not criticizing because I can't really say I need 8 shotguns, much less the bunch I used to have.
     
  12. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    Let's ask the guys whose lives depend on or depended on a shotgun in action.

    Leos, vets, actives, retired, what action were you issued and why?
     
  13. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Marine Corp. -- Beretta/Benelli Self-Loading M1014 Combat Shotgun.
     
  14. akers06

    akers06 New Member

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    That gets me excited just reading the name lol.....it's hard to go wrong with a benelli/ beretta when it comes to semi auto
     
  15. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Yes, but all those guys - Leos, vets, actives, retired,... - are not engaged in home defense. They have to be prepared for hunt and seek or other offensive situations.
     
  16. n2b8r

    n2b8r New Member

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    I'm relatively new to the HD thought process, but based on multiple recs from friends and websites as well as good price I got a Rem 870.

    One thing that stuck with me when I was looking at options was the fact that with a pump, I have the option to leave the breech open and unloaded after each shot versus an auto loader that will make the gun immediately hot again until it's empty. With kiddos and others in the house, it seemed like a wise choice to leave that option open during what would be a very stressful situation. Others may disagree, but that's my preference.
     
  17. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    N2b8r. First off, welcome to the forum. When you get a chance stop by the introductions forum and introduce yourself to the other members. Let us know a little more about you.

    Secondly. I would have never thought of the reason you listed in your post. My daughter is 16 at this point, and has been shooting with me for the last 7 years, so not really an issue in my case. Still, good food for thought.

    I have never had any problems as far as reliability whit any of my semi-autos, shotgun, rifle, or handgun. I use a Remington 870 for HD for 3 reasons.

    1: everyone in my house has used a pump action on a regular basis for at least the last 6 years. We are all familiar with a pump, and could operate it in the dark if necessary.
    2: Versatility of loads. Not only can a pump shoot any type of load within it's size restrictions, but if you need to change from buck to slug, you can pull back the slide, pop out the extracted load, and turn the shotgun on it's side to dump the fresh shell out. At that point, you can safely load in a different type of shell into the chamber manually. At no point in this will you be risking a smashed finger due to hitting the bolt release. Trust me, that bolt coming home to the chamber does nasty things to a finger if it's in the way.
    3: "Tacticool" add ons are perfectly legal on a pump in my state, but if I put the same add ons on a semi-auto I am breaking the law. Don't get me wrong, I have youth model synthetic stocks and a mag extension on my 870, and that is it. No pistol grips, no folding stock, no muzzle brake,etc, but in NY if even that 2 round mag extention were on a semi-auto, it would be an "assault weapon". The pump slides under the radar.

    Just my opinion, that of other's will vary.