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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Rennuke, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. Rennuke

    Rennuke New Member

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    I was looking for info on a long rang rifle and found this Forum. It looked good so here I am but I didn't find some thing specifically about what I was looking for so I thought I'd ask.
    I'm looking for a good Rifle with rang grater than 400yards I've looked at SOCOM16s and some .308 any suggestions ?
     
  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    well there are a number of things you need to consider. first and foremost, what will the rifle be used for? do you live somewhere that you need a long range hunting rifle for big game? want to shoot competitively? long range really doesn't tell us as much as you think. If you want to shoot competition you need to consider rules of the local clubs and or competition. shooting groundhogs? consider a 20-24" barrel ar-15. long range hunting? consider pretty much any quality bolt action. Most new QUALITY rifles will hold a 1" or better MOA, but that doesn't mean it applies to any application.
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    And... some will disagree with me, but at greater than 400 yards the shooter matters at least as much if not more than the rifle itself. meaning at that kind of range the rifle is more accurate than you are, you have to know the rifle and know what you are doing. This means many hours of practice, and "snapping in" (practice shooting with snap caps, meant to work on form, trigger control, and follow through, can be done in the living room)
     
  4. PerpetualStudent

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    Hey Trip, can you explain more about snapping in? I've never heard of that.

    Thanks.
     
  5. HOSSFLY

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    Another way of say to practice trigger control-
     
  6. PerpetualStudent

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    Thanks Hoss! One can always use more practice in that area I'm sure.

    If i may be so noobish, What are Snap caps?
     
  7. Rennuke

    Rennuke New Member

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    I don't have one thing I'm going to do with it I don't shoot competition so that's not a problem I just want a rifle that doesn't drop to fast and is reliable what got me going on the socom was ...well the history I guess.
    pluss I was hopping for a semiato
    I'll use a min14 on the groundhogs. :)
     
  8. Jpyle

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    A snap cap is a dummy round made of plastic or wood that protects the firing pin when you practice dry firing...they can be loaded into a magazine and safely run through the action just like a live round.

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  9. PerpetualStudent

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    Thanks jpyle! I actually just did a search for em. I'd never heard of such a thing. Always thought you had to go live in order to get that practice in.

    Thanks again!

    The Mind is like a Parachute. It only works when it's open.
     
  10. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    snapping in... practice without "going live". you get some dummy rounds, and keeping safety first making sure THERE ARE NO LIVE ROUNDS, load the rifle, pistol, etc., and practice form, trigger control, and follow through. I do it in the living room, bedroom, backyard, wherever because there are no live rounds going downrange. This will also help with flinching problems a shooter may develop with magnum rifles.
     
  11. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    and the M1A would serve your purposes pretty well I think. Sounds like you are just looking for a good all around rifle that has a good range, and this one fits for sure, seeing as you are looking for a semi. like I said though, I think I would just go with the standard instead of the socom (we are talking about the M1A right and not something else?) only because it is cheaper and has a longer barrel which will make it a bit more accurate at longer ranges.
     
  12. mrb1982

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    I had never heard of the snapping thing either. That's interesting. Could you do the same thing with just a spent cartridge without causing harm to the rifle?
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    After 400 yards the .308 does drop fast. This is using a 150gr at 2600fps, which is very close to 7.62x51 spec.
    W/ a 400 yard zero between 100 and 300 yards you will be between 9.5" to 15" high.
    At 450, 10.8" low
    500, 25.2" low
    550, 43.6" low

    When I see the Socom, history does not come to mind. An M1a, that has history and a serious cool factor.
     
  14. Rennuke

    Rennuke New Member

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    sorry I should have been more specific the hole M1 series has history the socom just got it by osmosis :)

    Your right thats what I'm looking for. is the standard also called the scout or is that anther variant ?
     
  15. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    "snapping in" A lot of people consider snap caps to be a moot point with centerfire rifles and pistols. personally I don't, I think it's important to take care of your tools no matter what they are. My craftsman wrenches get cleaned every time I use them, because I've also been injured from using a greasy wrench (damn near lost the tip of my trigger finger :) I must have fired hundreds of thousands of Imaginary rounds in the Marines, using no snap caps but the rifles weren't our responsibility to repair. as far as a spent cartridge, I've heard of people driving a round peg of buffalo horn into the primer hole, and loading a projectile in the case so than it will feed properly. personally I don't think this very safe because it looks to much like a live round and could get mixed up.
     
  16. Triumphman

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    There's 2 ways of looking at shooting at long ranges. One is for target shooting and the other is long range hunting. Out of the rifles used the most for any long range either for target or hunting is the 22-250 for those prairie dogs, coyotes, foxes, and other small(ish) critters. For targets this will go well up into the 1000yd range. For a larger caliber there's the 308, which has been used by many snipers for dispatching terrorist varmints at very accurate distances of 500yds and more and is a great target round. Then there's a newer caliber nowadays that lots of hunters swear by and that is the 338. I don't know much about this round or it's capabilities, but I understand it has lots of impact at 400 plus yards and is fairly flat shooting. Of course you could go for a "Golden Oldie" and that would be the 45-70, which has been around for over 100yrs. You can handload this round from mild to wild and lots of hunters have taken game at 600yds regularly, but they know what they're doing with this round and it's capabilities, along with a good tang sight system. Over on one lever action forum I belong to there's a couple gents that play "ring the metal dong" at 1000yds just for kicks with this old round.
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  17. trip286

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    Rennuke- there are 8 different models of M1A's to choose from, not counting any kind of custom jobs that may be floating around out there. they are listed here Springfield Armory

    Any one of these would suit your purposes, but personally I would take the Standard which is just the basic, no-frills M1A. Part of the reason I say this is because all 8 models are fine rifles, with good quality from a respectable manufacturer, but they are all also kind of pricey. I wouldn't spring for the national match or the super match unless I was doing competitions, and winning.

    The scout squad looks to be a basic M1A with a short rail base for a long eye relief sight, bipod and 18" barrel vs the 22" barrel on the standard.

    If I just had the money to blow, I would I would like to have the M21 Tactical. That being said, you can look at Fulton Armory too. Their rifles cost quite a bit more, but I've heard said that the quality is worth it. I wouldn't know, I've never handled one of theirs.