Having trouble deciding on a new (tactical) shotgun...

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Lindenwood, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    I'll say first I have no planned hunting duties with this shotgun. In a survival situation I MIGHT keep some turkey loads or something for the occasional squirrel or something, but it would not be a priority.

    I do not personally own a centerfire long gun (my GF has a Mossberg 500 in .410, though).

    I don't really want an 870, due both to personal experience and to things learned from research. Mostly the reasons are outlined here:
    http://www.members.tripod.com/~jth8260/870.html
    In any case, I like the looks and controls of the mossbergs better, and since I already own a Mossberg and have previously owned a Maverick 88, I would prefer to stick to the familiar platform.

    However, I have several desired choices, both in platform and gauge.

    I like the Mossberg 590A1 series, with their heavier barrels (recoil reduction), and nicer features (metal trigger assembly, extended / disassemblable mag tube, drilled and tapped receiver).

    However, I am also considering a 20g, largely because I like the idea of being able to target shoot slugs from a bench or bipod without leaving my shoulder in pieces at the range. If I get a 20g, I will probably just get the Maverick 88 version as it is pretty much half the price but has mostly all the same important features.

    The things I don't like about the 20g are the obviously smaller selection of defensive ammo, and the lack of extended-capacity models available from Mossberg (they are all 5+1). For defensive purposes I really like the larger shot sizes (00 to 000) for more consistent penetration, which are not available in 20g (the largest I've found is #2 buck).


    I am leaning toward the 590a1 with a Knoxx Stock and a good butt pad. What do you guys think?
     
  2. IGETEVEN

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    "Enjoying a long-standing relationship with the U.S. armed forces, Mossberg is the manufacturer of the only 12 gauge pump action shotgun ever to pass the stringent U.S. Military Mil-Spec 3443 standard. Now, Mossberg will make available select 590A1 models to the general public."

    Get it!!
    Use it!!

    Love it!!


    Or spend a lot more extra scratch on a Benelli M4 Tactical Shotgun.

    IMHO, the Mossy will do ya, and do ya well! ;)

    Jack
     

  3. suprdave

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
  4. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    I know most of the features (scope mount, heat shield, etc) can be added to cheaper models, but the 590a1's achievement's as a tough-as-nails shotgun can't be ignored, and is largely why I'm willing to pay the premium for it over an M500 or especially a Mav88.

    Would you guys say Parkerizing is worth an extra $25?
     
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  5. MAX100

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    Mossberg 590A1 18.5" barrel, ghost ring sights, 5+1 capacity and add a tube extension for 7+1 if you like.

    Hawk 982 with ghost ring sights is an excellent lower cost choice, as well. It's an 870 copy so it's very easy to take down and clean. All 870 parts will fit and it's a very reliable & durable defense shotgun.


    GC
     
  6. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed. Sure, parkerized is the way to go for a durable finish, tough to beat IMO.

    Jack
     
  7. DarinCraft

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    I personally am building my fourth "black" shotgun which is an 1100. However I would not trust my life with this one, which is why it is my fourth.

    My first is a Mossy 500 that I converted to 590 and put a heavy 18" barrel a surefire fore end, Hogue stock ghost rings and a sidesaddle. I will trust the life of me and my family with this weapon. Problems are the plastic trigger housing and aluminum receiver. Excuse the pic, I don't have a recent one since I painted the receiver and got a decent dig cam.

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    My next two were Saiga S12's. These are sledge hammer autos. they will take anything you can throw at them due to their AK design.

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    I also used a 870 at work and did not like the weapon. The weight, the balance, everything about it I didn't like. If I were you I would not hesitate on the Mossy 590 A1. Your reasonings for wanting a 20 ga are good and I wouldn't let anyone convince you otherwise. I am a recoil whore which is why I shoot only full power 00. If you are not like that then a 20 ga is a great choice, but before you concrete that decision shoot "managed or reduced recoil loads." They have pretty much the same recoil as a full power 20 ga load with more lead.

    Hope this helps you out.
     
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  8. Lindenwood

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  9. Jpyle

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    If you are going with optics why not forgo the ghost ring sights. The front sight is usually permanently welded to the barrel.
     
  10. deathkricket

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    I have a 590 and for a while i had the knoxx stock on it and it was a joy to shoot. I never had a problem with the heavy loads hitting my shoulder to hard, one thing i will note and its just preference is the forearm release do hickey behind the trigger guard is a pain to get to, you have to flip the shotty on its side and and slide your hand around to hit it, but like i said its all preference. If you want some kick ass anti zombie ammo look into the brenneke black magic slugs, i think you will be very happy with the ballistics data :D they also have a hard hitter for 20 to. i use their ammo for my 590 and i love it.
     
  11. Lindenwood

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    I knooow :( :( :( . The thing is, I (like most people) like the idea of KISS for a defensive weapon, and ghost-ring sights are a simple and reliable way to still have pretty good accuracy (easily matching that of a red-dot), without all the short-comings of a ring-mounted, battery-operated optic. I don't feel like I would immediately be as successful with them as with a red-dot, but like I said, I think I could learn them with a little practice.

    Plus, I am worried if I get one without the GRS and immediately add optics, I might eventually want to try the GRS, and then I'd have to have the front post professionally installed by a gun-smith, not to mention having to buy the sights aftermarket. And, I feel like without a lot of money into the install, they would never be as secure as if installed from the factory.

    So, I will try them out and, if I really just can't make it work, I will go the optic route.


    Deathricket, I think I would go with the Compstock specifically for that reason. My GF's M500 has a PG buttstock on it, and I cut off the area of the stock just behind the trigger guard to allow the trigger or middle finger to reach around behind the guard (between the guard and the grip) to hit the button. But, it was ultimately designed for use with a standard Monte-Carlo-type stock, so that is what I'd like to stick with.

    And yeah, the 20g has a perfectly good slug selection, which is what still draws me to it. I also like the idea of a 20g in that it wouldn't require a knoxx stock. The money there isn't a huge concern, but again, desiring simplicity means a basic stock will be more durable than a spring-loaded one, and could even be used as a last-ditch weapon unlike the Knoxx stocks (a good buttstroke would likely break both the target's jaw and the stock itself). Of course, the lack of large buckshot makes it hard for me to go that route, and that it isn't the 590a1 doesn't make me want it any more either, heh.


    Aarg.
     
  12. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    I know this is worthless without pics, but I just brought home that model 51663 590A1 :D . I also picked up a scope rail since it was only like $8. So, I will toy with both the red-dots and the ghost-rings and see which one I like.


    I thought a lot more about going 20g, but did some more searching and actually did find some reduced-recoil loads that would give about the same recoil as your average 2.75" 20g buck or slug load, and actually at a lower price. Plus, the 590A1 is like a pound heavier. Plus it is just much cooler in general :p .

    Thanks for your advice.
     
  13. CA357

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    I installed Mossberg factory ghostrings on mine. They are good stuff. Easy and very fast to acquire. :cool:
     
  14. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    Yesterday when lugging the new shotgun out of the car, I had a "forehead slap" moment. Apparently the zipper wasn't closed all the way, and when I stood up to go inside, the gun wormed its way out and, with a few loud clacks, found its way to the pavement. Gaah. I didn't have the stock on it as I had removed it to go fit some recoil pads at Academy, so it landed right on the top edge of the tang behind the safety and put a nice little ding in the receiver. Gaah.

    Do you think good optics / rings can withstand falls like that? If I am going to put optics on a "tactical" shotgun, I want to make sure it will not only survive the occasional bump and fall, but stay zeroed as well!
     
  15. Mannster

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    Just my 2 cents: I would always choose 12 gauge over 20. Especially for HD. More power is always better.

    I have a Moss 500 12g tac and an 870. Love them both, and both have held up great. I can't think of one thing I don't like about the 870. As for the Moss, I don't like the safety lever - too hard to push compared to the 870. Also, I don't like the placement of the pump action release switch on the 500 compared to the 870 - a minor point, but one of personal preference.