Have a Beretta mod 70S, .380. Love it and want something very similar

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by fastline, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. fastline

    fastline New Member

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    I inherited the gun and actually loved the gun once I shot it but something are a little awkward because I am a lefty. I would like another compact, hammer style, .380 for concealed carry.

    I have shot and own some other compact hammerless like SIG and Glock and I just do not have the accuracy with them. I prefer the trigger of a hammer gun purely for accuracy reasons. I could be persuaded though. I also would prefer the .380. I understand large caliber arguments but there is a 99% chance I will never use it and the weight and size sucks. I would rather have something compact with a lot of rounds.

    The 380 has low recoil, low muzzle flash, small, etc. I am also wanting cheap... I know you can get a 70S for under 200 bucks. I am a secure person that does not need a $2k gun on my person. I just want light, accurate, cheap, and lefty friendly.

    If it was not obvious, I would only buy used. I just don't need the new hotness.
     
  2. JonM

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    bersa thunder 380 or bersa thunder plus 380. hands down best 380 for the money.

    the bersas are pretty much walther ppk that dont suck.
     

  3. orangello

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    Just bought a bersa thunder 380, and i love it. Only problem is getting it back from my sister. Her husband wants to buy it off me for her and wants one for himself. I haven't handled a +, so i wonder how fat the grip would be. In a pocket pistol, 7 or 9 shots should do for me.

    Oh, my sister reports that the 380 is plenty for killing an errant possum. :rolleyes:

    Lefty note* When she and i were trying it out, most of the empties were flying back over my head rather than to the right. Not sure if that would make a difference.
     
  4. JonM

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    the plus i like the thicker grip it almost feels like a full size. i got decent sized hand and have real issue with those micro guns like the lcr. it shouldnt be too hard to find a plus at a gunshow or a big retailer to try the fit. they are getting more common.
     
  5. fastline

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    Super! What would a guy have to give for a Bersa? Do they have the feel and accuracy of the Berretta.
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    265-350 depending on style finish and accessory options.

    dont know for sure on the feel but the grip design is very similar in the 7 round version. accuracy is prolly better.

    here are some typical groups from my thunder plus. all are 16 rounds starting with double action for the first shot

    rapid fire 7 yards

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    all shots in this group are double action only

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    first shot DA rest single action slow fire

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    it will shoot MoG all day long
     
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  7. fastline

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    Outstanding! Would anyone care to contest the hammer action guns against hammerless? Am I just "special" or is there something to the trigger pulls for certain people?

    Also, regarding the Bersa,
    1. Where is the clip release?
    2. I notice there is a 7+1 and 15+1, is that a different gun or just the clip?
    3. I see this is a double action, I can then assume the hammer will stay back with the next round? I am not really a double fan but might be a smart choice for carry.


    Also, I noticed there is another model that is .380 by Bersa. Cannot remember the name but looked near identical. What is the difference?
     
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  8. Transman

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    Fastline,take a look at a Browning BDA 380,or Baretta 84,same gun.I got a Browning and it is sweeeet! 13 rounds of 380,hammer,decocker,nice fat grip but slim profile,good carry piece.
     
  9. fastline

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    What does the price look like on them used? I will admit that I DO like the Bersa price tag. I just don't see much point in spending more than I need to for a tool I probably will never use "on the job"

    I will take a look at the bda
     
  10. JonM

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    yeah i dont care for striker pistols the triggers feel like your dragging the gun through a bowl of oatmeal.

    next to the trigger guard on the left side

    diffrent frame same slide. in fact the slides on the thunder plus and thunder 380 are interchangeable. the plus is a little thicker with rubber wrapround grips.

    yes after the first shot or after thumb cocking it goes to single action mode. the trigger is actually the best da/sa trigger ive come across. the safety acts as a decocker safely lowering the hammer. intended carry is round in chamber hammer down safety off. it has a magazine safety rendering the gun unable to fire without a magazine. got kidlets?? no worry just slap the mag in your pocket and they cant do anything with it. its also got a safety key system that prevents the gun from being able to be cocked or loaded or the trigger pulled

    bersa also makes a firestorm and a concealed carry 380 they are the same internally and work the same its just cosmetic differences. the ccw 380 mags are slightly different for improved profile whille ccwing. the firestorm has finger groove grips and a round trigger guard rather than the square combat trigger guard.
     
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  11. fastline

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    Would it be worth a little extra to get hte "plus"? Can you feel much difference in them, good or bad? I will admit that I would prefer to have 10-12 on hand but 15 probably is not needed but ya know, I don't have to load that many....

    Remembering that I am a lefty, is there one that would be the better choice or all they all built up pretty much the same?

    Where is a good place to find a used one on the cheap?
     
  12. JonM

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    i like the 15+1 a lot fits my hands well. like most small guns they arent lefty friendly. if your not gonna have a full mag just go with the 7 and buy a 9 round mag for it. bad side is the plus is a little harder but not much to conceal. i think the plus is a little easier on an already super easy platform to control.

    i wouldnt download a mag if it holds 15 better have em all in there. never know when you need the extra rounds. better to have and not need than need and not have.

    i have two spare mags which gives me 46 rounds of corbon power ball. the mags are quite carryable as are the 7 rounders

    i would go for new but if you want a used, gunbroker.com. reason being warranty only applies to original owner.
     
  13. fastline

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    Outstanding! thanks so much for the help. I was poking around and it looks like you can get a 10 round mag for the standard Thunder. I would be just peachy with a 10+1. Do any aftermarkets make a mag for these or do I have to go to the mfgr for a 10 round mag? What are we looking at for those? Probably just hold the 7 as a spare and load the 10. I don't think I really want to carry 15lbs of ammo with me. If I am that worried, I will just take the Glock 22 40cal... really just want something compact for those "pretty safe" days.... I mean, I am in my 30s and survived this long...lol
     
  14. JonM

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    there are no aftermarket mags that i know of.
     
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    I had a big pile of .380 pistols, and sold all but one. The Bersa is still here. It is a lot of gun for the money.
     
  17. fastline

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    Since you be so helpful and such, I also would like to buy a pocket piece to have when I jog and such. I am more or less just thinking about dogs here. I think would might prefer a.22 mag??? 5-7 shot?? Can you recommend a cheap piece that is reliable, really compact, light, etc? No hammer requirement here. Just kind of a last resort piece that I can also ankle carry if needed.
     
  18. fastline

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    M14, PM me if you like on that.


    I should also expand this search to 9mm. Nearly the same thing and cheaper to shoot..
     
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  19. M14sRock

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    Ah, my bad. My Bersa is not for sale. It is still here because I really liked it. Sold the rest.
     
  20. JonM

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    22mag doesnt work that well in short barrel pistols. 22lr isnt a feed reliable round. 22lr shouldnt be relied on for defense even against feral dogs.