Have 300WSM and .270 Win - Those enough without getting a .308?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by SubZero, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. SubZero

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    I have a Tikka T3 Lite 300WSM and a Remington 700 ADL 270 Win.

    Put a Limb Saver on the 300WSM and the Remington I just got has one (or a type of one) on it already.

    Opted not to get a .308, mainly because at the time I got the Tikka a few years back, they had the 300WSM in stock and not a 308 or 30-06. Just bought the 270 Win earlier this week.

    My bud was saying I should have got a .308, as it's the best Sniper/Hunting combo (his words).

    My thought is, I'm not a sniper, but if I was, a .270 would do the job nicely since it can take down a white-tailed deer with very little kick back and a clean, flat trajectory. If I wanted to go nuts and whack some mobster for a bit farther away, I could use the 300WSM. And, the 300WSM should handle bigger game just fine, I figure.

    So, is the spread of a .270 and 300WSM good enough, or should I have gotten a .308?

    Thanks folks. Appreciate it.
     
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  2. hardluk1

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    NO need for any in between cartidges. You could hand load for the 300 and bring it down as far 2000fps or a mid range 308 or in the 180gr class it makes a great elk or moose cartidge. How about a .223 good varment /coyote rifle with you got to have another rifle.
     

  3. Zodiac131911

    Zodiac131911 New Member

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    If you can't kill it with the rifles you have you might not should have been shooting at it lol. if you want a .308 get it, otherwise the rifled you have will work just fine on about anything.
     
  4. The_Kid

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    I'd rather have the the 270 over the 308, for long range shooting.
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    The .308 is not in between. The .270 will do everything the .308 will plus a little more. With all the calibers availible you will always find someone that claims X is better than Y. But it rarely holds true. Sometimes it comes down to what a person feels comfortable with. With myself it is the platform that I'm using. I always thought I would never own more than 1 rifle in the same caliber, well I was wrong. When it comes to Heavy game such as Elk a good Quality 150gr bullet will do the job out to 300 Yards in a .270 without question, Your .300 stretches that at least 150 yards. The 2 calibers you have are very versitile. You can go down to 120gr for yotes or p-dogs at distance w/ the .270, or take a 200gr and hammer an elk at 500 yards w/ the WSM. It is all about what you do, not what others think.
     
  6. Yunus

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    If you wanted a .308 the only reason I could see to justify it would be for cost. Surplus rounds would make it much cheaper to shoot than a .270 or 300wsm. If you are looking solely from a perspective of what you are able to take down then you have more capabilities than the .308 would offer IMO.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    Opinions are like @ssholes, they all stink! For just shooting? At paper .308 has an advantage, a real wide array of quality match bullets. For hunting, both have positives. It really comes down to shooter confidence.
     
  8. The_Kid

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    If you can't find a bullet to fit the bill from this, you're doing it wrong.

    It "comes down to" when does the projectile's speed reach transonic; which the 270 stretches 300 yards further, (using sane loads.) After that is "comes down to" and which bucks wind best; which the advantage again goes to the 270.

    "Shooter confidence" is always higher when physics are stacked in the shooters favor.
     
  9. Zodiac131911

    Zodiac131911 New Member

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    That's why i like reloading you get the best of everything
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    How can you use the same load when the 2 have nothing in common except the base diameter??

    Here is actual data, now the .270 is using a 160gr while the .308 is using a 168gr match as there are no match bullets for .270. MV in the .270 is 2650, .308 is 2700. I am rounding both down. The .270 by 30fps and the .308 by 50fps because no one uses max loads often.

    Bullet drop in inches w/ 100 yard zero:
    .270 at 250 yards, -9.6, 350 -24.1, 450 -48.3, 550 -83.3, 650 -131.6
    .308 at 250 yards, - 8.5, 350 -22.9, 450 -45.9, 550 -79.1, 650 -124.8

    Not sure what physics you were talking about that pertain to accuracy. They both shoot pretty even. I'm not seeing a 300 yard advantage at all. All loading data is from the Hodgdon site, everything calculated on a JBM calculator.

    With 150gr ballistic tips the .308 has the advantage again in MV by 100fps+-
    .270 at 250 -7.6, 350 -20.6
    .308 at 250 -7.1, 350 -19.3
    The long bullet of the .270 may perform better on game at distance, but not on paper.
     
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  11. 303tom

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    Heck no, get a .308 Win. too...............
     
  12. mdauben

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    Honestly, IMO if you are talking strictly about capabilities, you could get rid of one of your current rifles and not miss it. The .308-.270-.300 all overlap in capability. The .300WSM may edge the other two out in max range, the .308 generally has the least expensive ammo but there is little or nothing practical you can do with one that can't be done with the other.
     
  13. The_Kid

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    You're ridiculous!
    "(using sane loads.)"


    There is no "actual data" there. Tell you what; I'll use a "sane load;" the 270 load you've presented is obviously geared to fail.
    I'd use a 150g SST with a BC of .525 traveling at 3000fps.
    You can use a 168gr Match King with a BC of .462.

    Why do you think drop is relevant? (Other than needing to know it.)
    Like I've said, (and you've conveniently ignored,) when the round's speed reduces to transonic, and how well the projectile cuts wind; that is what is important in a long range rifle.
    High BC in conjunction with high velocity, cut wind. Higher BCs and higher velocity gets you further before going transonic. The 270 trumps the 308 in both categories!

    Oh I see, you want to make this into a, "The transonic problem" is a myth!" arguments.... good luck with that.

    When you use "sane" data it does... specific sane data.
    Your 308 load hits transonic about 950 yards; with a 90º 10mph wind, your drift is 93".
    My 270 load gets me 1250 before going transonic; my wind drift at your limit, 950 yards is 66 inches; about 2/3 of yours;whereas miscalculations in drift are more forgiving.

    That's the kind of "physics" I'm "talking about."
     
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  14. hardluk1

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  15. SubZero

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    Thanks for all, the great feedback.

    The 300WSM with a Limb Saver is pretty workable.

    My hope is that the 270 Win will be a little tamer and an overall different shoot.

    Between the two I was hoping for a good mix, and it sounds like even with the overlap, I'll have that. The 270 is no wimpy little rifle, and the 300 is a bit more of a beast. I should be good to go.

    The 308 sounds like it would just be redundant in terms of shooting, so I'm glad to know I'm not missing out.

    Again, appreciate the feedback.

    I'll just tell my bud, that if I'm going to scope out mob bosses for rubbing out, I'm covered either way and the 308 won't give me any advantage over what I already have.

    And then I'll mention to him - "By the way, for hunting, same thing applies"

    That ought to shush him up. :)

    Happy shooting
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    The data I've put forward is correct, what you say, is here say. Your opinion.

    You claim your .270 stays supersonic to 1250 yards. With what powder?? You have given zero data. I gave you all the numbers and source. Do the same and educate me. I know the .270 is a great round, but you have not proved why. As far as why the drop is relivent, seriously?

    Talking equal, there is no data thet shows a 150gr sst at 3000fps, you are close to 100fps from any data I have. the fastest load is 2900, most are closer to 2700fps. You must know more then I ever will. I do hot rod a bit , but seriously! 200fps on the median side is extreme. Please tell me were this data is from. Your is not Sane data, but then again, you've given none.

    OK w/ both shooting 150gr SST, at 2900fps, the .270 has a velosity of 1.24 mach, the .308, 1.02 mach, at 1000 yards. The advantage of the .270 is the energy it retains which is about 200fpe at 1000 yards.

    I just pulled out Hornady 7th edition, max .270 is 2900fps w/ only 2 powders, 8 are at 2800fps, 2 are 2700fps out of all 12. They also list 12 loads for .308. 2 at 2800fps, 8 at 2700fps. Speer 14 lists 2 .270 at 2900fps, 3 at 2800fps, 3 at 2700fps, and 4 at 2600fps. They also list for .308 2 at 2900fps, 5 at 2800 fps, 4 at 2700fps, and 2 at 2600fps using 150gr.
    I'm really curious how you get 3000fps when I find no data to support it. Please give the source. Just really curios.
     
  17. jpattersonnh

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    No data, just bravado!! He has given zero to back up what he claims.
     
  18. jpattersonnh

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    Your covered. Is the Mob boss from Chicago?? ;)
     
  19. Zodiac131911

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    The data you find in the books are all shot from a test rifle with x length of barrel, with x number out twists, but considering no two barrel are the same and a longer barrel retains a little more velocity than shorter barrels. He could very well achieve 3000 fps. I'm not saying he did but it is possible.
     
  20. The_Kid

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    He understands that, he is arguing disingenuously.