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I am just listening to the police scanner in my area and they have mentioned a couple of times tonight about certain guns registered to certain people. I am in Washington state. I thought there was no gun registry. Am I wrong? How do the police know these things,
 

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I am just listening to the police scanner in my area and they have mentioned a couple of times tonight about certain guns registered to certain people. I am in Washington state. I thought there was no gun registry. Am I wrong? How do the police know these things,
If the police are verifying CCW permits your state may require that a specific firearm be associated with that permit. There is no federal firearms registry per se but municipalities or states may keep certain information. You can be sure that if you are a CCW holder pulled over for a traffic stop the cop knows you have a concealed weapon before he exits the car.
 

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In Washigton there is no weapon specific to a CPL permit. I have a couple guns purchased new from FFL and it would be nice to know what others know.
 

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I was always under the impression that all firearms are registered with the ATF. Not necessarily to any person, just something that allows them to catalog and categorized between legal and illegally obtained. But since I joined this forum I've been told, by those much more knowledgable than I, that this was not at all accurate. I could really care less quite frankly, I think they should be registered to each person, but whatever, no biggie. Maybe these cops use term registered in reference to the carrier and not the carried, to indicate that they are licensed to...?
 

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BeyondTheBox said:
I was always under the impression that all firearms are registered with the ATF. Not necessarily to any person, just something that allows them to catalog and categorized between legal and illegally obtained. But since I joined this forum I've been told, by those much more knowledgable than I, that this was not at all accurate. I could really care less quite frankly, I think they should be registered to each person, but whatever, no biggie. Maybe these cops use term registered in reference to the carrier and not the carried, to indicate that they are licensed to...?
I am not scared of the government knowing what I have it is just interesting. They were saying that such and such a person at this address has a glock 9mm. But I can buy and sell guns without anybody higher up being notified through other means than an FFL. They mentioned 3 separate times people having guns registered to them. Curiouser and curiouser
 

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They are most likely doing followups on Class 3 Weapons. These are Full Auto Machine guns, Silencers etc. These under a Federal permits that is also approved by local police. It seems every time the gun issues comes up they have to visit Class 3 weapons owners. These weapons are never used in crime.
 

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They are most likely doing followups on Class 3 Weapons. These are Full Auto Machine guns, Silencers etc. These under a Federal permits that is also approved by local police. It seems every time the gun issues comes up they have to visit Class 3 weapons owners. These weapons are never used in crime.
No. Situations were both suicidal people and the dispatcher said they had whatever type of handgun. Pretty sure that G18's are not real common in the suicidal folk :).
 

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the Govt keeps tabs of firearms in Washington State, but not the ones the Govt send to Mexico, apparently
 

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The background check form in Colorado has an entry for Serial Number. I was told it is married to the Federal Form. Whatever that means. The Seller fills those fields out. Not the buyer.

At that point, they can theoretically track a gun back to the BUYER.

They can build a database of purchased guns. I am sure they already have one, whether it is queried or not.

That's not paranoia, it's following the data.
 

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To raise a stink, I would contact the LPD and inquire as to how they know what firearms an individual has..

Different states have different requirements. In Florida, the NICS through the FDLE only asks if handgun, long gun or other.

I suggest that everyone download the PDF file here:
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
 

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Lol. The police have more access to info than you think.
The state of Massachusetts has a comprehensive record of every gun you buy from an ffl as well a a copy of your fingerprint for each and every gun.
Yes there is a registry.
 

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by a licensed dealer. Private sales are a different story. Correct me if Im wrong though. Im not sure about your state though.
Ya here private sales are open season. Have a couple that didn't go through an FFL and they are legit
 

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Omg.

Registration, databases, federal permits, cops, guns ..............





PARANOIA.



Unless your state sucks and requires an ACTUAL registration of firearms, your guns are NOT registered. The only fed registration is the NFA registration.

When you purchase from a dealer, the make, model and serial are recorded on the 4473 form. It is not included on the NICS Phone call.
 

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Omg.

Registration, databases, federal permits, cops, guns ..............

PARANOIA.

Unless your state sucks and requires an ACTUAL registration of firearms, your guns are NOT registered. The only fed registration is the NFA registration.

When you purchase from a dealer, the make, model and serial are recorded on the 4473 form. It is not included on the NICS Phone call.
I know that. So why, then, would a dispatcher say they person owns a glock 9mm?
 

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I would like to know the answer to this question as well, I have argued with a friend who says there is no way the gov't knows what you have, they can only track a gun if it is found say during an investigation or someone dumps it in the river and they can call the manufacturer with the serial# then the manufacturer can lead them to the distributor who took order of the gun who can then direct the authorities to the store which sold the gun to the final customer, that store can then get out their records and look to see who indeed purchased the gun. He says there is no possible way they can punch in your name and have access to a list of all the firearms you have purchased. I'd like to believe him but I don't trust the gov't that far in these anti gun days.
 

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I'd like to know the answer as well...

One way could be if an investigation resulted in this info at the state or local PD level and/or if a dealer turned his records over to them. I know of nothing precluding them from doing this, only not being able to be compelled to (before they go out of business). Southern gundealers turn their books over to Mayor Mike Bloomberg all the time when he sues them...

Willfully? Are you suggesting the OP is untrue!?
 

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I imply nothing. Just a blanket statement for those who suggest anything to the contrary
Well jump on my crazy train for a second and assume I am telling the truth. Any ideas? Not just one address, but two with guns "registered" to them. Any LEOs out there with thoughts.
 
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