Hand loads for Carry Loads....?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by BILLYBOB44, Aug 14, 2009.

  1. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 New Member

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    It seems to me as prices go up/supply goes down, there are more and more OP's that talk of hand loads for SD carry? I hand load some very good ammo with Hornady XTP and Speer Gold Dot bullets that I reserve for hunting. I have NO doubts that they would save my life in any SD situation. THE problem with hand loads for SD is the legal system. I have been told by more than a few that if I use a hand load for a SD shooting, I had better be ready for legal problems. What are your thoughts??
     
  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I've heard that too. A guy at the gun shop I frequent mentioned that lawyers are starting to take those who shoot intruders, muggers, car jackers in self defense to court if they shot the perp with hand loads.

    This is second hand, but he said they are trying to say that because you reloaded specifically self defense loads that you intended to shoot someone.

    I thought it a pretty stupid preposition at the time but that is just one step from saying "You bought a hand gun, shotgun, etc. for the expressed purpose of shooting someone, therefore there was premeditation."
     

  3. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    i was told the same thing by a lawyer your best bet is to carry the same ammo you would target shoot with you know it will still do damage i carry a .40 cal for self defense i target shoot with fiocchi ammo its 170 grain and i carry it in my gun at all times
     
  4. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Find out what your local PD or County Sheriff carries and use the same.

    When you use perfect logic there is no argument!
     
  5. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 New Member

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    Good point Cane.

    Great info-as usual Cane. Sometimes the trick is to be able to find that ammo, as a God fearing Gun toting citizen. My Sheriff's Dept. will not let me "borrow" any of their loads. HA!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
     
  6. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    +2....perfect logic!
     
  7. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    It shouldn't be any question. But this is the time in which anyone can sue anyone else. I know I can hand load ammo that is just as reliable and just as good or better than any factory load but, who to say your not over loading the ammo to it is sure to kill and just not wound.

    I will stick to the store bought ammo for my HD, SD ammo.
     
  8. Gunsmokeray

    Gunsmokeray New Member

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    I carry my loads

    My pistols are sprung for my loads. I have put a lot of effort into total reliability of my loads with my guns. I know what the recoil and muzzle blast and point of impact is going to be from thousand of repetitions.

    Use what you practice with.

    Thanks for listening,

    Gunsmoke Ray
     
  9. RL357Mag

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    This issue really shows the narrow-minded stupidity of lawyers, prosecutors, and the uninformed general public who will be tasked as a "jury of your peers" to judge your actions. Anyone carrying a gun for self-defense should be prepared to kill whoever they shoot - god forbid I ever pull my weapon in a defensive situation, it will be to kill, not to wound or mame. Everyone should understand and accept this fact, and if not for dishonest and deceptive lawyers, ammo would never be an issue. Focussing on the type of ammo, the type of gun, or your "intentions", is just a clever distraction to the real issue at hand - the right of self-defense - any other consideration is a distraction which allows an unscrupulous lawyer to accumulate "notches" on his "professional" resume`... the "legal" system in this country is a cruel game played by self-righteous a$$holes with misplaced "compassion", and the poor bastard that gets waylayed by the system is nothing more than a pawn in the game, and whose fate is determined by the scumbag with the better ability to "persuade" a jury. Fuc%ing lawyers...I hate 'em all!
     
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  10. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 New Member

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    The Real World.

    My same thoughts for Hunting Loads. For self defense use of 3 to 7 yards my Factory Loads will do just fine. In the real world, the criminal/family of, will eat you up, through their attorney, in court, over the use of hand loads for self defense.:p:eek::p
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you use Speer cases, Speer Gold Dots and kep your mouth shut, who will know?
     
  12. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    True very true.

    Never thought about that.

    what if you use WW case and winchester bullets as well.
     
  13. W. C. Quantrill

    W. C. Quantrill New Member

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    What if you use a revolver and your favorite Keith SWC over a nice hefty charge of target powder? Who can argue it isnt a target load.

    With respect to autos, get in the habit of picking up your empties. Count your shots, pick up your empties. Leave. Give them little to work with. Even in my .45, I load Keith 240's and sometime 250's when I travel. Fire for effect, not brand name.
     
  14. Dillinger

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    Uh, bro. That is tampering with the scene and could open more problems for you.

    Not to mention I can assure you that anyone who is involved with a shooting situation is going to be amped up and is not going to be thinking clearly for quite a few hours. Let alone in the right mind to "spruce up the place" prior to the cops getting there. :rolleyes:

    Like Robo said, if you use "X" brand brass and "X" brand bullets, who is going to know what charge they had behind them??

    JD
     
  15. stalkingbear

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    I KNOW you're not talking about self defense shooting, because that would be illegally tampering with evidence. Are you crazy or what? That will get you arrested faster than you can spit. I can only hope that nobody takes your post serious. If the shoot is justified, why screw it all up & do something stupid like that???? Perhaps you're talking about offensive shooting (as opposed to defensive) or "gangsta" shooting, in which case you're in the WRONG forum. It's pretty obvious you've never been involved in an actual defensive shooting, so in which case you need to shut up about giving illegal advise. Just sit back and learn from the wealth of information in this forum.




     
  16. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    OH BOY I love it when I get to do something like this.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. W. C. Quantrill

    W. C. Quantrill New Member

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    Ewwww,,,

    Well I happened to live by the gun for a long time first as a law enforcement officer, and then as a PI and bail enforcement agent, so maybe you dont know so much about me after all. I dont shoot offensively.

    We were taught to always pick up our empties and I do that to this day. If we are going into a strange area, we use revolvers. Picking up my brass has nothing to do with tampering with a scene. Leaving it, is fodder for the lawyers.
     
  18. stalkingbear

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    So let me get this straight-you're claiming that you're allowed to pick up your brass after a shoot BEFORE the tech guys do their thing? And leave the scene???
     
  19. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Oh, I am so with you on this one Bear. I have never heard of this type of behavior.....
     
  20. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    A classic example of an old cliche:

    "Oh what a tangled web we weave...."

    Don't try to justify a stupid remark with another stupid remark!:D
     
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