hand gun, or hunting rifle.

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by WhaleNoises, Nov 28, 2012.

  1. WhaleNoises

    WhaleNoises New Member

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    I'm on the fence, should I get. A Glock 19 Gen 4, or a Remington 700 in .308 with a high power scope. They both will be for target shooting mainly Withe secondary uses. The Glock for conceal and carry, and the Remington is for hunting. Both are would be aimed for an shtf scenario, as well.
     
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  2. Donn

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    Remington. If the SHTF, nobody's gonna care about concealed carry and a long gun's always better than a short one.
     

  3. racer_x

    racer_x New Member

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    I say a 5 inch 1911 lol
     
  4. hiwall

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    The rifle would be more practical.
    The rifle would shoot everything from morning doves to moose.
    The pistol only shoots close up people.
     
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  5. Blueguns

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    The rifle is the way to go. It's going to be more useful in a SHTF scenario. Also .308 is a good plentiful caliber, and will give the ability to hunt many species of animals. It can also protect you very well, of that situation occurs in a SHTF. And for the next long while where there is no SHTF going on, you'll be able have a blast deer hunting.
     
  6. DrumJunkie

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    For targets between those two the rifle hands down. The 9mm would be cheaper on ammo but the range on the Rem will surely make up for that.
     
  7. paintsplat

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    The Rem no question, abundant ammo, range close to far.
     
  8. nitestalker

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    In the real world of very long survival modern sporting arms will be junk very fast. Modern armies do not carry Remington deer rifles. The whole concept of a modern Infantry rifle is battle field use. Ammo, food, and water will dry up fast. Millions of people will be moving constantly looking for heat, medicine, food and water. How will you carry food and water extra cloths and a 20 year supply of ammo? If this sort of thing ever happened a small light sturdy .22 rim fire rifle would be the most useful. ;)
     
  9. WhaleNoises

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    Already have a 10/22 I'm just adding to the arsenal, I will eventually get both. I just can't decide on witch one first.
     
  10. dmp

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    In the real world of long survival? Armies don't do 'long survival'; their weapons are disposible because there's a logistics battalion somewhere who'll replace it at need.

    Unwise to pick a SHTF weapon based soley on what you may know about military use.

    Done right, a homestead will keep us from being one of the millions of rovers. If that's the case, I want a defensive weapon as well as a hunting weapon. The answer to the OP is, get both. Both are the right tool for the right job.
     
  11. Shade

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    A reliable rifle first, perferably a semi, but we all have budget constraints.
    Then a reliable handgun.

    Rem 700 is a reliable rifle, I have one also in 7mm Rem Mag.
     
  12. Mosin

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    If your only choice in a SHTF scenario is a rifle or pistol, get the pistol.
    Your probably going to be more worried about break ins, car jacking, kidnap attempts, home invasion, muggings, etc. you want something readily accessible, easily concealable, that can get a lot of lead down range quick.

    Don't delude yourself with these 'Walden Pond' type fantasies, of trekking out in the bush, surviving on your wits and rifle alone.
    Look to any historical collapse throughout human history. You'll find people try to retain a semblance of society, but crime will go up a lot.

    If given the choice between only 2, get the Glock, then learn how to make traps for game.

    FWIW, around my parts, the woods are so thick that deer are taken at close range. I took my deer at about 15 yards with an 06. If it were survival and I only had a pistol, I'd attempt the shot, wait 30 minutes and track the blood trail.
     
  13. Mosin

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    Edit to add, if your main use is target shooting, pistol ammo is boat loads cheaper than 308 ammo.
     
  14. Mosin

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    Just ask yourself. S has hit the fan! You live in a city or a rural area. City people are breaking into homes, and moving further into the suburbs, looking for food, drugs, valuables, etc...

    2 am, you hear a crash downstairs. Sounds like more than one person, but you don't know how many... 2? 3? 4?.... You hear footsteps coming up the stairs...

    You want a bolt action rifle?... Or a reliable mag fed pistol with 15 rounds?
     
  15. Shade

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    First, if the SHTF, what are you doing sleeping alone in your house with
    no security? You will need to band together with a group, preferably friends or family. Set up rotating guards for 24/7 security, if they are already in your house, you have lost.

    If you are sub/urban a carbine is your best choice, not a hand gun not a
    shot gun. A rifle. Perferably semi-automatic. If rural, as I am, full length barrel and engage your enemy at the greatest possible range.
     
  16. nitestalker

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    I don't know which military conflict the poster was in. Maybe the world has changed but having a arms repair unit in every Fox hole is new to me.:rolleyes:
    During the World Wars the wild game was gone very fast. The large urban Zoos were over ran and everything there was killed and eaten. We are going to have a Homestead and live just like the folks in a story book.:rolleyes: There will be no "Little House on the Prairie".:(
     
  17. Mosin

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    The op was asking about either a glock, or a Remington 700.
     
  18. TooStrongTerry

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    Im in the same situation. Preferably if someone broke into MY house id use my shotgun...i live in ny so pistol permits are complicated...i dont NEED one so having one ahead of time is unlikely. Idc what anyone says shotguns are my personal preference for close encounters.

    Imyself am looking to get a bolt action rifle. Probably in .308. I live in a suburban area but if shtf theres a 90% chance im buggin out to inlaws or my relatives in the "woods". A shotgun willget me where i have to go. But for sustenance living and defending the homestead at long range...even close if thats all i have...thats what im getting.

    In world wars...game was gone in the areas if MAJOR battles. I doubt a war here would destroy the entire population of animals to eat. Unfortunately ny is probably a likely target (cuz theres so many laws we cant legally defend ourselves :p) but i agree with what the majority are saying about to bolt. Easy to clean. Very low maintenance. Always goes bang.

    Besides...idkmuch about pistols...but word on the streets are glocks suck lol.
     
  19. Shade

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    He posted this in the Survival forum and mentioned prepping for SHTF.

    His first choice should be a semi-automatic rifle, I do not know what
    Caldwell is like. If he cannot afford a semi then the Rem 700 is the next
    best choice. Carbines are designed for confined space combat, that might
    be a better choice for him, I cannot surmise from what he has posted.
    Tertiary choices would be a handgun or shotgun.

    Local conditions, laws and budget constraints always have to be considered.

    Considering your legal restrictions, a shotgun sounds like it might be a good
    choice, if you plan on using indoors get one with as short and overall length
    as you can legally.

    First I am a 1911 fan, not so much with the Glocks, but I would not say
    they suck. I have alot of friends who shoot them, many are cops. They are
    reliable and accurate. They should be in consideration if you do not have
    a current preference. My only comment on pistols is that it should be
    chambered in .40 caliber or larger with the only reasonable exception being
    .357 Magnum.




    For the smart alecks out there; Yes I know there are other cartridges that
    are less than .40 caliber that are out there and more powerful than a .40 S&W,
    .45ACP and .357 Magnum but they are not very common chamberings.
     
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  20. Mosin

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    Oh. It's a SHTF scenario. Never mind OP get a tank instead. Or maybe a nuclear submarine.