Hamilton Model 27 Info?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Vikingdad, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I posted this in the rimfire forum the other day. I didn't get a single response. I would like to get some advice.

    I have a chance to get a Hamilton Model 27 "Boy's Rifle" and I would like to know more about them. The one I am looking at has a 15" or perhaps a 14 7/8" barrel which would present a problem here in CA as that would be considered to be a "Short Barreled Rifle" (SBR). I cannot find a serial number on it at all.
     
  2. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The hamilton model 27 was advertised with a 16 in. barrel. If it was not cut down you should be fine. Is the rifle being sold privately or at a shop? Double check the bolt face to muzzle measurement in either case. I don't know much about these rifles, hopefully C3 will see this and be able to help you out more.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, it may be a short barreled rifle, but not a short barreled rifle.

    The Model 27 had two different barrels. Both were formed by a unique process of bending metal to form a tube. One was BRASS (with a steel liner) other was steel. Some are 14 7/8 inches, some are 16.

    HOWEVER- the BATFE, in a rare burst of common sense, decided that SOME firearms, even though having a short barrel, were not the first choice of Bonnie and Clyde, and removed them from the list of NFA firearms.

    Here is the BATFE pub- see page 35. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

    It IS still a firearm (curio & relic) but not an NFA firearm.

    Now, to be honest, my experience to CA is limited to changing planes at LAX, so you may want to run this thru CA DOJ, BUT- do not think it will be verboten.

    PS- these rifles were made for low pressure ammo. If you shoot it, CB caps would be a real good idea.
     
  4. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Vikingdad, sadly, with the way California's law is written, it's not QUITE illegal, because it is a c&r, but yet there is a requirement for it to be registered via NFA....
    Penal codes 12020(a and b) and 12021.5
     
  5. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Could you clarify? This is a gift from a friend.


    Thanks all, for your advice.

    The barrel is not brass and has not been altered. Bolt to barrel interface is tight. The only problem with it is somehow the stock got bent out of alignment, should be easy to fix. Its a cute little gun, I will probably shoot it just for kicks but it definitely not be a "range gun". I do have a bunch of CB caps that I can shoot.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Dad, by all means, please DO talk with the CA DOJ folks. Their statues are referencing NFA Firearms- the Hamilton is NOT an NFA firearm- it was removed from the NFA by the Feds, and is a Curio & Relic.

    Here is a summary of the CA gun laws. See page 8, right above machineguns.

    http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf
     
  7. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    (7) Any firearm or ammunition that is a curio or relic as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the items pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

    12020(b)7
    So that specifically okays it, but I'm not a lawyer bleep blip bloop:p I agree with c3 talk to doj but they have always been confused ashworth kamala harris in, I expect it would be worse now
     
  8. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    *and with, not ash worth
     
  9. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Like Wyatt Earp said "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything."

    Thanks. I was a little confused by that.
     
  10. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Lol True, I just get frustrated with my phone on "qwerty" mode and have to use the damn "swype" method, and i thought it had worked. My apologies sir:)
     
  11. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Heh. You know what first came to mind? Back when semi-auto pistols were starting to replace revolvers as service weapons in law enforcement they said that the semi's were better because they held more rounds and reloading a fresh magazine was faster. Officers carrying semi's would "spray and pray" whereas LEOS packing revolvers would carefully place their shots for maximum effectiveness. Kind of like with you and your "smart phone" versus me with my old school computer and a keyboard. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I am just saying that I am a dinosaur.

    Anyhow, no apology needed.
     
  12. aslack

    aslack New Member

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    Hamilton 27

    I have four of the old Hamilton 27s and it seems none of them are exactly alike. All, however, have the brass tube for the "inner bbl" and with a steel tubular piece covering the brass.

    There are at least two bbl lengths in the group, and one of them has a different shaped forearm....storter and tapered to a smaller thickness. One has a buttplate and the others do not. I am probably wrong, but I would guess that Hamilton made the design changes rather than young owners.

    I have several other Hamiltons including the Visible Loader, the model 51 and the model 15.....they facinate me!

    I am glad to have found this forum.
     
  13. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Hey there, welcome! This thread is a few months old but I'm sure you'll love it here, why don't you stop by the introductions area and tell us about yourself?
     
  14. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Welcome Aslack, and thanks for responding to my thread (even if it is a couple of months old (@ Pagj17:p.)) Where are you located? And do stop in to the introductions thread.