gunshow discharge

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by JonM, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    there have been an aweful lot of these since obama and crew lost their gun ban bid after sandy hook. i tend to believe the dealer. even if there are some anti freedom clowns loading guns in shows, he still violated the rule of every gun is loaded even if you have the word of god it is clear its still loaded...

     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    He thought someone loaded it while he was away? Come on..... :rolleyes:


    No offense and none taken
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    there are a lot of wackjobs out there that put spikes in trees to injure and kill loggers... its not beyound feasability.

    however even if someone did do that he failed to clear a gun that was out of his control. he failed to keep the muzzle in a safe direction when pulling the trigger. so even if some assclown loaded it, he is still at fault for failing to keep the muzzle in a safe direction and not sweeping someone and failing to clear the firearm.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree about the wackjobs doing such stupid and dangerous things to further an agenda, but still he should have checked it. that part was on him.

    one of the rules of gun safety, every gun should be treated as if it were loaded, even unloaded guns.

    also, if the gun was out of his sight and someone were able to do such a thing, then that is his fault as well for not properly securing his gun.
     
  5. Mongo

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    Why did he put his finger on the trigger in the first place??
     
  6. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Bingo...

    In my 42 years I've been to more than a few gun shows. What kind of ass clown leaves an unsecured handgun laying around a booth with hundreds of unknown people milling around?

    I guess the same type who pulls any trigger without clearing a gun. :mad:
     
  7. 7point62

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  8. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    last time I checked, there is no IQ test required to own a firearm. as a range officer at a sometimes-open-to-the-public club, my experience is that a basic puppy intelligence test might be a good thing prior to handing someone their first firearm - although there is no provision in our 2nd Amendment for that, so we have the weather the idiots and hope the puppies and kitties crowd doesn't have a voting majority.....

    I seriously doubt if any anti-gunner has the gonads to touch a gun, let alone LOAD one lol. How many times have you seen stories where someone says their (loaded) gun just 'went off' when they were cleaning it, killing their child who was standing in front of the barrel at the time.....and they look to blame the manufacturer.

    Unfortunately as firearms owners we need overcome the damage done by folks like these, the psycho-killers, the gangs, the open-carry-your-AR into Walmart types....you name it ....it's on us (NRA), just ask the left, we are the cause of all of this
     
  9. WebleyFosbery38

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    Heres the sad thing, it will be held up as a hallmark for what needs a law and right now!

    Keeping with the Theme "Shows", retake this scene as a "Car Show". Thousands of them happen this time of year, everyone showing off their rods and revving their engines, some drunk or stoned or both, all enjoying the show. Laying rubber, you know the scene, weve seen them grow every year and the shows get bigger and badder. Sooner or later, one of these speed demons crosses the line and somebody or something gets smashed. Happens all the time, perfectly nice car hits an immovable object or a person, nothing new, barely hits the paper and mostly few people are ever seriously injured. Do they make new laws to prevent this? How about some that start by punishing the 98% of the collectors and admirers for the irresponsible actions of a couple nimrods? Does that make any sense, I think not.

    Gun shows arent dangerous because the have guns and ammo, some people are just dangerous no matter where they are! Can we fix ignorant and stupid with laws ever? No way, if it was that easy, it would be history already! Sometimes when things are Phucked, they cant be Un-phucked, thats just the way things go sometimes!
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    The trouble is that most laws are enacted because there are so many stupid people out there.

    Why do we need a seat belt law when it should be common sense to use the seat belt?
    Why do we need laws about drunk driving when it should be common sense not to drive drunk?

    Hey, maybe I stumbled on the cause! Common sense is no longer taught in our schools.
    That has to be it. We can't blame the parents.
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Sounds like he was a holster dealer/maker. Working with leather/Kydex does not require any real firearms IQ.
     
  12. AIKIJUTSU

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    Yep. He violated at least two of the Cardinal principles he is supposed to teach his students.
     
  13. AIKIJUTSU

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    Man, a negligent discharge hit her in the thigh. That's very close to becoming a vaginal discharge.
    :D
     
  14. WebleyFosbery38

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    I see it close to that but not that-

    Why do we need a seat belt law when it should be common sense to use the seat belt? We dont need a law that prohibits your right as an adult to go beltless. The Courts can just charge you accordingly for negligence and allow insurance companies to limit damages they will pay for if your not wearing a seat belt and that impaired your capability to react.

    As far as The DWI thing goes, same deal. If your intoxication is found to have impaired your judgement and reactions, the damages and jail time needs to fit the actual crime. You hitting, hurting or killing someone is anything from assault with a deadly weapon to manslaughter. If you hit a bridge abutment, you pay (not your insurance company) to fix the bridge, fines and lose your license to drive!

    If you go to a gun show or a home show and shoot someone by mistake with a Colt 357 or a Porter Cable nail gun, you just assaulted someone with a deadly weapon and must pay a stiff price for your ignorance, its mans way of catching those which Darwin somehow missed.
     
  15. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Oh if was just that simple. The lawyers make the laws, test the laws, interpret the laws and most importantly benefit from the laws
     
  16. Tackleberry1

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    The drunk driving thing always baffled me...

    If I get drunk and punch you in the face... That's aggregated assault and a felony, even if you kick my arse in response.

    ...but, if I get drunk and injure you with my car, it's somehow "not as serious".

    I know the lawyers would argue the difference in "intent" but IMHO... If your driving drunk your gross negligence with a rocket weighing several thousand pounds is far more sever an offense.

    Tack
     
  17. AIKIJUTSU

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    Maybe it's because the lawyers and politicians are protecting themselves. The lawyers and politicians would seldom get drunk and punch somebody (they are too "refined" for that), but they often get drunk and drive their cars. So the penalty for that is not as severe.
    Always those who make the laws make them for their own benefit.
     
  18. JTJ

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    This has happened before. A man was looking at a pistol at another show and loaded it to create just such an incident. The dealer was busy but got suspicious when the guy took off in a hurry. People are loading guns at gun shows to create incidents.
     
  19. Sniper03

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    I use to spend a lot of time at Gun Shows. And unfortunately, every unintentional discharge of a weapon at the shows I attended where that happened. Which was around a total of 5 incidents. Was done by dealers at their table with a weapon they "Thought" was not loaded!
    ****The issue is you do not "Think"! ****YOU KNOW THEY ARE NOT LOADED!*******
    But on the other hand with the Idiots who are definitely Obama supporters and Anti-Gun along with being Socialist Liberals. It would not suprise me in the least if they would load weapons at the table of a gun show dealer or any other weapons related event in hopes someone would be seriously injured or killed to support their idiotic cause and publicity campaigns!;)
     
  20. clr8ter

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    It SHOULD be that simple. But the courts, and people in general are a bunch of spineless pricks. The courts allow the lawyers to get away with stuff based on semantics, so that's how it is.

    I have always wondered about guns being loaded like that. The gun shops I go into all have long guns out on the floor. It would be extremely easy to load one without anyone knowing. One shop in Maine has HUNDREDS of long guns out. And hundreds of people milling around. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.