Guns as a hedge against SHTF

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by clr8ter, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    So, I have bought and sold many guns over the years, mostly due to it being and on & off hobby. Now, with everything that's going on, it seems there might be something to owning a few in case something happens. (This could take various forms, financial meltdown, SHTF, food shortages, Govt. Gone Wild, ect.) I started with 2 I already had, and decided not to sell them; Ruger Single Six in 22LR & WMR, and a Ruger 22/77 in 22LR.

    In addition, since these 2 are not exactly going to fill the bill, I came up with this list for the following needs to be met;

    1. Hunting for food
    2. Defending the home
    3. Defending yourself, out-and-about
    4. Defending yourself against the hordes, in the home or O&A, I see a need to be able to fill a sniper's role.


    So, here is what I think WILL fill the bill;

    1. 223 bolt action (maybe a slightly bigger round), to take up to deer-sized animals.
    2. Done- I bought a Mossberg 500 410 pump shotgun.
    3. Beretta 96A1 40S&W. I used to have one, regret selling it every time I think about it.
    4. MUCH larger caliber bolt action, I'm thinking 50 BMG this sounds like it will fill ANY sniper roll, although possibly overkill for NH terrain. This will be the last one filled, if ever, cause of the cost.

    The biggest roadblocks to this is $, and the Wife, who is somewhat anti-gun. (But had surprisingly little to say about the shotgun recently)
    Feel free to comment or add suggestions to any of this. It's a Work in Progress.
     
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  2. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I don't think you need the 50BMG esp if money is an issue as you posted. Remember, you need to feed it too ;)

    A cheap but accurate .308 hunting rifle (less than $400) should be sufficient in most cases. You also combine 1&4.

    That add a semi-auto (maybe a .223 AR?) and you will be much better of than your original list.

    JMHO.
     

  3. hogrider

    hogrider New Member

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    I would have gone with at least a 20 gauge in the shot gun area but agree with above post that 1 and 4 could be combined. I'd stick with the .308 though. Just my opinion.
     
  4. eaglesnester

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    keep the thuty thuty loaded

    Got the thuty thuty loaded and by the bed. have many rifles and lots of bullets loaded. live in the bush in northern bc canada. also have a 300 weatherby and a 338/378 weatherby with a tactical leupold 6.5-20 scope on top can reach out to 1000 meters and beyond.
     
  5. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Well, I went with the 410 because I don't need the distance in the house, and from what I have heard/read it's a very potent round at extremely short ranges. Also, it should help to keep over penetration of the house down to a min. As an added bonus, it's a VERY small gun, good in tight spaces, and low recoil, (I hear, haven't shot it yet.) This could only help with the Wife thing, she could use it, too.

    I'll look into the combine 1 & 4 thing. And 308. Don't know much about that caliber.....Any suggestions on a gun to fit the bill?

    Also, BTW, I'm trying to keep to common stuff, ammo & guns, so parts & ammo availability aren't a problem.
     
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  6. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I personally bought a .308 Weatherby Vanguard (or Howa 1500). Based on a lot of recommendations, other good contenders are Savage Axis and Marlin XS7.
     
  7. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I feel the same but this does not compute w/ your initial consideration for 50BMG ;).

    You can have .308 semi-auto like FAL, M1a, AR-10, CETME, Saiga, etc.
     
  8. hogrider

    hogrider New Member

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    I happen to like Brownings so a Browning BAR Mark II Lightweight Stalker or a Browning BLR Lightweight '81 if you like a model 94 lever action type. Both can be had in .308 caliber.
     
  9. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I'm going to suggest that you also consider a .30-06 bolt rifle, not just .308.
     
  10. dunerunner

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    My list:

    .22 or .177 air rifle @ 1000 fps minimum
    .22LR Rifle and plenty of ammo
    9mm semi-auto hand gun/guns
    5.56X45/.223 rifle, either a bolt gun or semi-auto AR or Ruger Mini-14
    12 gauge pump or semi-auto
    .308 heavy barrel bolt gun, with good glass

    For me this is the perfect SHTF arsenal.
     
  11. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    I see where you're going with the .410 but I'd seriously reconsider for the 12 gauge pump action, it's the most versatile firearm in North America IMO. If recoil was your deciding factor the reduced recoil loads are a Godsend. Even during tue ammo drought 12 gauge ammo was everywhere, .410 not so much.
     
  12. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Poink88, is the 50BMG not a very popular cartridge worldwide? Seems I've seen that ammo available as surplus, and now available commercially. Admittedly, this one is more of a dream than anything.

    Savage axis & 30-06 I'll look into also......
     
  13. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    First question is how much will a 50BMG rifle cost you? How much is each ammo? When will you need/use it? Can you handle it properly? Do you have a place/range to practice with it? How much will a descent scope for you to utilize its potential going to cost you?

    If you foresee shooting helicopters, light armored vehicle or making more than 1,000 yard shots...maybe you need one. It is cool but not practical IMHO.

    The reason I chose .308 over 30-06 is because it is short action. They are almost identical performance wise but 30-06 has slight edge reach wise. If you want to consolidate ammo for your hunting rifle and consider a semi-auto, I believe .308 is the better choice.

    It all boils down to your budget, intended use and general plan.
     
  14. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    about $4K, about 2-3 bucks a shot, SHTF, yes, with practice, no, a lot.

    When SHTF, you never know what you may need....
     
  15. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    And so now, I'm questioning #3. I decided that it should be a bolt gun. Preferably left handed, (but not absolutely critical), and in the $3- 500 range, used is OK. Also desirable to me is a detachable box mag. Seems like there are not many available......The brand, model and caliber, I'm not so sure on.... There seems to be a lot of support for the 308. But it seems a little pricey, and the 30-06 even more so. No support for the 223?

    I was at Kittery Trading Post yesterday in Maine, and they have a mind-boggling ammount of rifles new & used in their racks. I came away even more unsure than when I went in.

    Any suggestions?
     
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  16. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    .223 will kill deer sized game & larger if you make a headshot. As a fellow southpaw I know how discriminatory some manufacturers are. I'd stick with a Savage, you're not going to find a decent lefty bolt for $300. As for .50 BMG, unless you're considering penetrating heavy armor I would spend that $5000 elsewhere. The .30-06 is the top choice round as far as versatility goes. It's a little more pricey than .223 but not too bad.
     
  17. Sniper03

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    Speaking of the weapons we need, I am OK! If SHTF and if they mess with my family or friends who might want to come and stay here with the family in the mountains for protection. They might have a serious problem. As they say this would be a time for safety in numbers and our old military and LE mind set. As the old saying goes! They may run but they can't hide!
    And if they run they will only die tired! Also you all are missing out on one issue speaking of protecting your family and your home should SHTF! It is called a Dakota Alarm "MUR" System. It is "Not" expensive and you can put out 4 senors per each receiver that can transmit up to 2+ miles. Each receiver has the capacity to set out 4 Transmitter Units which each will advise you of the Zone that is activated. Zone 1-2-3-4 per unit. I also take one on the road with me with a portable WT type receiver that I keep in my hotel room at night in case someone is stupid enough to break in to my vehicle and trailer. Oh! did I mention the AR Pistol and 40 Cal Glock in my Hotel Room! Keep the AR in what looks like a business brief case. Anyway all that said, the MUR is a great unit. I have one on my lane which is 1/2 mile long and I know the minute someone enters the lane. In the SHTF scenario we might refer to it as an "Early Warning System!
    Something worth looking at.

    Also in a state I hunt in on our lease the MUR has another neat application!
    That is if it is legal to do in your state! It is in the state we hunt!
    We have a gut pile 150 yards from our camp. I put a T-Pole in the ground about 25 yards from the gut pile. You guessed it! I mount a MUR Sensor on the pole. And have my portable receiver. As we are sitting around the camp fire and the MUR gives us the Zone Alarm, we grab our rifles and NV or light and pop a Coyote or Wild Pig! How about that for multi purpose!

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  18. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Scratchammo, so, a Savage in 30-06, then? Any preference on model#? Maybe a LH & RH, and the price will decide. I have a Ruger 77/22 RH, so I could practice & get good with it if need be....and yeah, the 50 BMG is still mostly dreaming, I don't really have that much $.

    And the MUR system sounds good, any link to it? Thanks
     
  19. Scratchammo

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    This rifle is a little out of your price range but will pay for itself: 110GLXP3 30-06 LH W/SCP 17589 [17589] - $599.99 : Hammerback Guns, Safes & Accessories
    You'll probably find it cheaper on another site but this is the first I came across.
     
  20. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Yeah. actually scratchammo, that sounds good. I would probably try to pick up a nice used one, and an extra 100 isn't going to break the bank. I still might go for the RH version, we'll see. Thanks