Guns - An International Perspective

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by kingkongjc, May 10, 2012.

  1. kingkongjc

    kingkongjc New Member

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    As an American, we have the right to bear arms. We can own guns and it is widely accepted in the States. They've existed since our forefathers carried them, so why can't we, right?

    I am currently teaching overseas and the laws here are completely different!

    In Korea, NO ONE owns a firearm, and even many of the POLICE don't carry firearms. The only time I've seen a gun here is at a bank on a security guard, or from patrolling SWAT members. Korea's take is that if they do start using firearms, there would be an increase in crime, suicide, and other mal-behavior.

    For those that are living overseas somewhere else, what are the laws/perspectives there?

    Also, what do you think? Do you think there would be an increase in crime due to an increase in access to firearms?
     
  2. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

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    I have no idea if the crime rate would increase in a country like South Korea. I believe that gun ownership isn't compatible with every culture because it is not only a tool for self defense but also a stance against tyranny. If tyranny is the normal way of life, then guns have no place in the hands of normal citizens. It might sound far fetched but there's a reason why Hitler and the communists went after gun owners in their country. On top of that With that right comes great responsibility and from what I'm reading about South Korea here in America, it looks like part of the population is extremely immature (I work in IT and I always read about South Koreans dying while playing video games and parents taking care of virtual babies instead of their own). I don't know if that is representative of South Koreans so feel free to explain how people are there. A culture that would be incompatible with citizen gun ownership is China. I had a friend who lived there for a while and he told me that a big part of the population still bows down to old dictators and acts like robots in general. These people would have no use for guns except for making their suicide easier. I'm sure there is a minority that rebels against the system but I don't think I'm generalizing when I say that Chinese people in China (not Americanized/Westernized Chinese) are robots. There was a video of a truck that ran over a little girl, the driver realized it and kept driving and dozens of people walked by the agonizing girl briefly looking at the body until a young woman came and picked her up. I know it's a huge population but what comes to my mind when talking about mainstream China is: enslaved population working in factories taking their own lives, police state, lack of hygiene, organ trafficking etc.
     
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  3. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    Korea has a very low crime rate. The people there are brought up respecting other people, and especially their elders. At 18 all men go to the military. Criminals are punished accordingly. I would call it a very conservative country.
     
  4. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

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    If I had a neighbor like North Korea I would probably like to have an armed population. Gun ownership is the most natural checks and balances, puts power into everybody's hands, much more than casting a vote. I don't know much about the Korean culture to know if owning firearms is part of their culture & heritage.
     
  5. kingkongjc

    kingkongjc New Member

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    The video games aspect exists but is extremely uncommon and actually irrelevant in this discussion. It really depends on what you mean by immature. Students have died in PC cafes due to a lack of food,water, and even a lack of a real source of oxygen. The virtual babies thing might be more common in Japan. I've never heard or experienced that here in Korea.

    As far as the discussion topic, guns are simply looked at as unnecessary.
     
  6. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

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    Well the reason why I think it was relevant is that if people are so focused doing one thing, they're probably not thinking about owning guns. It is very common for people to consider guns unnecessary, we have a handful of people like that here too. But here our rights are constantly under attack and we take our Constitution VERY seriously, gun ownership is taking a stance against the destruction of the Bill of Rights. I really don't know enough about South Korea to tell you why it would be necessary to own guns or if the population is ready for it, you can probably answer that question :)
     
  7. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    You are new to this forum. You have 3 post all questioning American gun ownership. The Antigun Left has always made a point of low gun ownership as being more civilized. They often use the oppressed Far Eastern countries as an example.:confused:
     
  8. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    The South Koreans sure as hell thought our guns were necessary.
     
  9. vincent

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    Japan has arguably the strictest gun laws in the civilized world and a very low gun violence rate....BUT...their suicide rate is 5 times higher than it is here in the US.

    That being said, that's there and this is here. A reasonable comparison can't be accurately drawn between the two because, like I said, that's there and this is here...
     
  10. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

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    Ya that was my point when I said that it's not compatible with every culture. The USA were founded with a revolution, bearing arms founded this country and granted us our independence, so it's dear to us. Each country is unique, its citizens have different values, different beliefs and different ideas on how the country should work.
     
  11. Steenkamp

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    Low crime rate.. yes. Respecting people... not so much. Just finished a year tour here and they are rude people. Most of them hate Americans. The only crime that is high here is domestic violence.. Woman tend to beat the hell out of their husbands and their kids.

    Dont know if crime is low because of the lack of weapons, but i do know that most of the locals would do anything to be able to go to the states. One of my Korean friends wants to go hunting with me. Its sad how they cant have the same fun we have over here!!!!
     
  12. sputnik1988

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    There's a reason why the Nazi's invaded everyone except Switzerland.

    Occupied France to the west, fascist Italy to the south, Nazi Germany to the north and annexed Austria to the east, completely surrounded and yet never attacked.

    Like the U.S at the time there was "a rifle behind every blade of grass."
     
  13. Longrange

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    Perhaps if other countries could have guns, we, the US could stop policing the world and secure our borders. I personally could give a rats freckled @zz about the civil liberties in other countries. And I hate it when liberals use those fundamental lacks in liberty to undermine our civil liberties.

    Just my perspective
     
  14. bkt

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    People who want to commit suicide or violent crimes will figure out ways to do those things whether they have legal access to firearms or not.

    Access to firearms does not make one suicidal or more prone to commit violent crimes.

    The crime rate in the U.S. is not as high as it is because of easy access to firearms, but because we have a certain percentage of amoral people eager to hurt and steal from others.
     
  15. therewolf

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    If you study history, you find that national gun control schemes

    generally work out poorly for the masses.

    Folks want to rave about a couple, or few dozen accidental and violent

    deaths due to guns? How about the millions of deaths gun control has caused

    worldwide? China's gun control caused 30 million deaths. Germany's, 12

    million.

    The list goes on, and it adds up to more people mass

    murdered internationally, than were killed

    in WWI and WWII combined.
     
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  16. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    And also because that's where some Nazis stashed their stolen money.
     
  17. Jim1611

    Jim1611 New Member

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    This I know about owning a gun. If I am confronted by one person or a group and I am at a disadvantage, either by numbers or overpowered a firearm does as good a job as anything to even the odds. Can I fight 6 guys off by myself? Likely not. No amount of martial arts or other fighting technique will likely help me but having a measly handgun could very well tip the odds in my favor. It brings fear the the hearts of those that are on the other end looking back. All thugs know this. So do those that want to rule with an iron fist.
     
  18. Trez

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    The gun helped to form our nation.. We didnt have Kung Fu masters, Samurai, Knights, or archers.. We had Revolutionary forefathers, solders, and cowboys.... All our historic figures carried guns...
     
  19. therewolf

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    Our forefathers would turn over in their graves,

    if they could see the lame-brained PC jackholes

    which pass for politicians now, or if they had to

    listen to the diarrhea democrat-speak which pours

    unceasingly from their mouths.


    Our founding fathers gave us a priceless gift,

    and those barely conscious PC pond scum

    want to throw it away.:cool:
     
  20. paintsplat

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    (Measly?) Handgun. There are small handguns, but measly? Almost every description of a handgun that was pointed at someone was described as, huge, large, big, scary, but measly? Even a small firearm pointed in your direction looks large.