Gun Store Commando

Discussion in 'Gun Shows' started by Tackleberry1, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    So a couple of weeks back I had some time to kill between meetings down in Portland Oregon so I pulled out the I phone and googled up the nearest gun store which happened to be The Gun Room in NE Portland.

    Upon entering I was happy to see that everyone behind the counter was well north of thier Denny's senior discount. I appreciate this because most of the know it all "shoot what I shoot or your an idiot" commandos tend to be in their mid 20's.

    Now, I knew from past experience that particular store only carries ALL METAL GUNS. Big NO TUPPERWARE signs and crochety old guys, we should get along fine.:)
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    I'm about halfway down the counter browsing a nice selection of Colt 1911's, CZ75's, and Browning Hi Powers when I notice a big revolver laying there with the top strap and top 3 cylinders blown off.

    I pick it up to look at it and the aged gentelman behind the counter launches into his "that's why we don't sell plastic guns" speach, which is fine, I see the logic, blow up and all metal gun and you probably just loose a gun, blow up a poly gun and you could be missing some finger!:eek:

    But then he proceeded to tell me HOW important this ALL METAL gun thing is because the scrap metal I'm holding is the 3RD GUN "THAT FELLOW" had BLOWN UP!

    I don't know who THAT FELLOW is but I respectfully suggested that THAT FELLOW might want to give up handloading because 3 guns should be a sign. Rolling his own is obviously NOT his skill set. HAHAHA

    We'll, THAT FELLOW must have been the same gentleman telling the story because he huffed off rather abruptly.:rolleyes:

    I'll admit that it took me a while to come around to poly guns but I've 3 and find them to be decent utilitarian tools which accomplish their purpose just fine.

    Anyway, thought that was a funny exchange you guys would appreciate.

    Tack
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Tack, good story! i kind of agree. three of them! you would think someone should have learned after the first one!

    i like all metal guns, but i too have a poly and i like it a lot. i remember when the Glocks were new, and i resisted for years to even shoot one. plastic guns! what are they thinking? no way those things will hold up over the long haul. yeah, they have proven me wrong. as old age and wisdom have set in, i am not near as quick to condemn as i use to be. i see now that the Glock paved the way for poly guns and proved that they can hold up for the long haul. there are poly guns that are junk, just as we know there are all metal guns that are junk too.
     

  3. Cory2

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    With all of the MIM parts in newer polymer guns, and some of them being irreplaceable (looking at glock), I suspect the legendary reliability idea to go down the drain pretty quick, when not only are parts breaking, but you have to buy a new gun because that part can't be replaced. Sure, all metal guns have mim parts in them too, but you can take those out and put a new one in if it breaks.
     
  4. rifleman1

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    well its been over twenty years now maybe in another twenty that reliability thing will go out the window.
     
  5. Polygon

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    Personally, I own both. It irritates me when someone has an opinion and feels the need to interject it onto me. You're welcome to present your opinion to me tactfully and I'll take it into account when forming mine. But try to force it on me and have an attitude and I'm just going to discredit everything you say and assume you don't know ****. How can someone with such a stanch opinion have an open mind?

    Besides, they engineer these poly frames to fail in a certain way. Sorf of like crumple zones in a car. When I bought me first gun, a Kel Tec P3AT, the poly frame was something that concerned me. I did my research and found quite a few people that made the mistake of firing +P ammunition in them. There were incidents where the frame blew apart. Surprisingly, no injuries because of the way the frame was designed to fail in case of such a failure.

    Don't you think the engineers and manufactures thought about that? Anyhow, I might sound like I'm upset and opinionated on the matter. I'm just trying to shed some light on some misinformation and assumptions. Besides, I did find the story amusing. I can picture the old, crotchety clerk. We have a few of those around here as well.
     
  6. Overkill0084

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    3rd KB? You were not wrong, Reloading is not his forte.
    Many people go their whole lifetime without one.
    Metal vs. Polymer? I'm in the metal frame camp but, I say live & let live. As for which one is better to blow up? Seems like a stupid argument to me. Blowing up anything in your hand is a dangerous thing and should be avoided. Frag goes everywhere without any concern over the type of pistol it was originally contained in. What about bystanders? Anyone want someone's kid struck by a piece of their gun?
     
  7. Tackleberry1

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    Exactly, I love my 1911's, my S&W 629, my CZ75B, IMO there is nothing more appealing than a quality steel firearm with good lines that performs well. However, I also have some poly guns, first was Kel Tek P11 back in 96 when they first came out. The trigger was, well, it was a Kel Tek, but other than that it was an excellent low cost CCW platform pushing 10 rounds of 9 with a 14 round BU mag. That was just unheard of in 96 for a gun that small! Then came an XD .45 4" back in 05 when the first .45 ACP's were hitting the retailers. WOW, that's a fantastic performing gun pushing 13 +1 in a grip size you can get your fingers around. Recently sold that to a buddy for what I had into it. My current primary CCW is my Kahr PM 9. Again, an excellent little gun, uber concealable pushing 6 + 1 9 mm with a trigger that's darn near as good as the DA pull on my 629.:eek:

    I've now got my eye on the new XDS and am considering accepting another .5" in grip length to get 5 + 1 .45 ACP over my current 6 + 1 9 mm.

    So while I know NO plastic gun will EVER pull my heartstrings like the all steel beauties, I also appreciate the innovation they've brought to CCW and get a real chuckle out of the "all poly's are junk" crowd.:)

    Tack
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i like my poly gun, an SA XDm40, works like it should, does what's expected. nothing spectacular or fancy, just does it's job. now i will never get as emotional about it like my 1911's or my revolvers, but that might because when i started shooting many, many years ago, there was no such things as poly guns! so blued steel and warm walnut will always have a special place in my heart. i guess i'm just showing my age.
     
  9. Tackleberry1

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    I don't know about showing your age. I'm 40, with 6 years of Infantry service behind me. Poly guns were certainly around when I got started in the mid 90's yet I agree with you whole heartedly.:)

    Tack
     
  10. Polygon

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    Hmm....

    I can't believe I forgot about that. It's a great point.

    You also have a great point. I have a Kahr PM9 and a Ruger MkIII 22/45. I also just ordered a S&W Shield. I can tell you that my favorite gun is my 1911 and I want to get a metal frame Ruger as well. And looking at my gun wish list I think there are maybe two or three poly-frame gun on it compared to an asinine amount of metal frame guns. :D
     
  11. Tackleberry1

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    Ya think? It'll be another 10 years before I go back to that shop. Their prices were outrageous and the ATTITUDE completely over the top! Honestly, I've no idea how they stay in business.

    Portland must be full of guys who like to be talked down to and enjoy overpaying for guns?:rolleyes:

    Tack
     
  12. headhunter

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    Quite a few years ago, Shooting Times had a picture of a Smith 29 and a Blackhawk both damaged by improper reloads. Apparently the individual had tried the loads in the Smith and when the backstrap on that had been pushed upward ruining that firearm, they tried tha same load in the Blackhawk blowing the left side of the cylinder completely off.
    They apparently weren't happy ruining one fine firearm, they had to destroy the second. The editor (Sketter Skelleton?) expressed surprise that the cylinder on the Smith had held while the beefier Ruger cylinder had failed.
    How can one explain that type of mindset?
     
  13. Great memories, sir.

    Greetings, Tackleberry1.

    I don't live there anymore, but I visit the Gun Room every time I go back. Yes, the owner (Warren) is older than I am (not quite as crusty as me, depending on the subject), his prices are 'premium' and his opinions are set in concrete, if not granite. Which pretty much describe me as well. I've known him casually - we're not beer drinking buddies - for some (Lord have mercy!) forty-five years now. He has been in business that long because he is a good business man. And, he's honest. He's a sharp dealer, as they say, but he's straight.

    Not only does he not carry 'tupperware', but he doesn't have any of the AK47 variants, either. He sells quality hunting, defense and collectable guns.

    He has strong opinions because he's worked on learning about guns, shooting guns and dealing with those who do for that period of time. Which is not to say he's always the most politically correct.

    The revolvers blown up: Yes, I saw them as well and heard the same background. No, it wasn't the owner or one of the hands who blew them up. It was a 'customer'. If I may fill in the part you omitted, one of those revolvers was a large frame Smith & Wesson and the other a Ruger Super Blackhawk! Anyone who blows up a Super Blackhawk worked at it.

    But, you are right; it's not the place where one drops in every week to see what's new. It's about once a year for me these days, and I'll probably miss this year.

    Oh, Tackleberry1. Another excellent gun shop in the Portland area is "Keith's" out in Gresham. Big inventory of new and nice used guns. Just if you're killing time.
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    OMM

    Great response, pretty sure I met Warren. I was ordering a shoulder rig for my S&W 629 many years ago and made the mistake of asking if he had any carry options sized for an NAA Guardian .32 ACP. Big mistake, he spent 30 minutes telling me why I was stupid for trusting my life to a .32 without considering that it might be my BUG! I was not raised raised to talk back to my elders so I let him ramble his Genius in my ear whilel his employee finished my holster order. Shockingly, I've not spent a cent in his shop since.

    He may well have 45 years of experience but he'd be doing a lot better if he understood that a 40 year old Infantry Vet with 30 years of experience and a couple thousand per year to spend on this sport is not the customer to talk down too. Just my .02 cents and I vote with wallet.

    Keiths on the other hand is very good. I've bought 3 guns from him over the years and reffered many of my Oregon friends to him.

    Tack
     
  15. GatorDude

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    That's a riot. Ever since I launched my boat without putting the drain plugs in, I've pretty much known that parachuting, flying a private plane, and reloading are right out for me. :D
     
  16. sputnik1988

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    Louisville must be too.:rolleyes:
     
  17. sputnik1988

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    Been there!
     
  18. M14sRock

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    There are no MIM parts in Glocks, and there is not a single part in a Glock that cannot be replaced in about one minute, with no tools.

    Not sure where you got your info but please go back and do some more research.
     
  19. Hookeye

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    The way I heard the story was (IIRC it's been years), both the M29 and SBH were loaded with the wrong powder (rifle). Both sent to the manufacturers for failure analysis, never returned (if so I'm quite doubtful they were released to somebody else, so I'd be skeptical of a shop having those exact samples- others have blown up rigs no doubt).

    The guy who reportedly did this I actually squirrel hunted with when I was a kid, he a friend of my dad.

    Indiana guy. Good guy, but made a pretty exciting reloading error way back ;)
     
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  20. AZL

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    MAN...thank you for telling me that all my Glocks needed to be thrown away because that reliability issue would rear up and show it's ugly head!

    The one pictured below is a time bomb-a-tickin! It was issued to me by the department over 20 years ago, and it has 300 THOUSAND plus rounds through it with one SINGLE malfunction (a crap Sherer range mag was the culprit). It could cause a hole in the time-space continuum if allowed to continue to exist!

    BUT...what MIM parts? There are none in a Glock. There are NO parts that can't be replaced in a Glock. Unless they have changed into different guns since I went to Glock Armorers School and became a department armorer, and no one told me....bastards!

    Whew...glad I know now! :p
     

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