Gun Shows

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by FlBob518, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. FlBob518

    FlBob518 New Member

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    I think Gun Shows have changed. What market are they aimed at?? I am starting to feel that they are mostly aimed at the beginner. The one I went to in Clearwater, FL yesterday was a pleasant departure from the usual "sea of black polymer". It was put on by 2 Guys, LLC, and was mostly used stuff.

    I have noticed the couple of gun shows that MSRP seems to be the low price and they up after that. You would think after moving all that stuff for two days, they would want to sell the most they could. USED Ruger LCP for $350.00?? That type of price structure has not been uncommon at the Tampa show and and locally.

    I guess it gives you a chance to see what you want and then buy it from your favorite local gun dealer (mine is Cracker Boys) and get it for much cheaper.

    Who knows where it came from, but there was a ton of bagged .380 ammo there.
     
  2. c3shooter

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    Have pretty much been disappointed in my last 5 shows. I have all the costume jewelry and beef jerky I need, along with the "Death from Above" T-Shirts.

    If I am looking for a new-in-da-box gun, I have 6 local dealers to shop. I collect older firearms, mostly 1940s-50s, and have a soft spot for Mossberg 22s. I have more Mossys than the last 5 shows I attended.

    At one time, shows were the stomping grounds for the part time dealer- the guy with the odds and ends, and the holy cow, lookatthat- have not seen one of those in a long time- what price does he have, does he haggle, will he take a C&R FFL? Unfortunately. looks like the Feds killed most of those folks off.

    Sorry, I'll go put the soap box away now..............:cool:
     

  3. FlBob518

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    I too have a fondness for old Mossberg .22s. I have a model 142 that I bought when I was 15 for $10.00 used. Still shoots fine after countless rounds. I saw one at the show yesterday and just wanted the stock. It was a bolt action and he wanted $400. That wasn't even CLOSE to what it was worth.
     
  4. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Every time I have been to a gun show in the last 2 years it seems like they are just looking for the next sucker to pay twice what everything is worth. $33 for a box of 22lr. They had them at Walmart for $19 the same day!
     
  5. DrumJunkie

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    It's been like that since the last election. Prices all shot up in lieu of the next ban (Still waiting). There are a lot of dealers that frequent these shows that are still trying to capitalize on the panic. Prices have dropped on some the last couple shows I went to but they still are not where they should be. Dealers and online sellers that once have or are still trying to gouge those too scared to pass the price up are the worst of the worst. In my opinion they are no better than the grabbers themselves. Many will spout crap about the larger demand an d suppliers not keeping up. I might have let that go a little last year but even the AR makers have caught up . There is no reason to pay 650.00 for a damn WASR.
     
  6. Bigcat_hunter

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    I don't know what shows you guys go to but the shows here are VERY competitive. Most guns are marked up 10% at most. Cheaper then Bi-Mart and Wal Mart yet most people still think they are getting ripped off. The fact is that there is not much money in this business due to manufactures cost to the wholesalers.
     
  7. DrumJunkie

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    I bought an M70 for 475.00 at a show a couple years ago. I seen the same rifle at the same booth at the next show selling at 650.00. Was that the manufacturer jacking up the price? When I asked about the price I was told I better get one now because they where getting banned soon. The difference between the two show was the election. The last show I seen the same dealer selling the same rifles still and the are around 550.00 now. ASking about itu again I was again told that supply was drying up and there was going to be no more because of an upcoming gun ban. THe same mind set is played out again and again. Yes, there are a lot of new buyers out therre getting a gun because they are afraid they wont be able ot later. Many of these new buyers probably would not be looking at all. Thees are the people that always say "Yeah one day I'd like to get a gun". Bbut they never got in a hurry becausae they knew that the gun was always going ot be there for them to get when they got around to it. But now the ban is just around the corner! Web blogs, political pages, tin foil hat sites are all predicting the gloom and doom for the 2A. THis forum is a perfect example. There are tons of new to guns" people. Are all of these people scared and getting while the getting is good? Of course not. But some are. Some that might have went to a gun show or knew someone that did got the news that the ban is coming and time is a wastin'. This fear is what helped put ammo makers behind for a while. and how many heard about Brand X the AR maker that was 12-16 month behind on orders?

    Yeah, prices are up. Check out one of the new price guides. I have one here that shows a Para LTC in Exel. condition at 575.00. The last one I got to look at that was at a show was 675.00 and it had a good bit holster wear and really needed cleaning. The seller said I had an eye for a quality weapon and I should jump on it because they are imported from Canada (there is a U.S. factory now) and imports are going to stop soon. It's the baaaan!!! THe BAAAANN!!! :rolleyes:

    Prices are up because people are willing to pay them. And a gun show is a great place to find a sucker that will. It's amazing how the price falls when you get talking to the dealer and he figures out you are not a fear buyer.
     
  8. Bigcat_hunter

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    Prices skyrocketed after the election. Dealers could not buy enough guns to sell to there customers so prices went up. When dealers can not supply the product for there customer they have to raise prices to live. In 2009 it was almost impossible for a small dealer to get one...yes one AR-15 to re-sell to a customer for nearly 10 months. Now the market is flooded with AR-15's.

    Dealers are not ripping people off. If you pay $650.00 for a new model 70 then you are buying it about $15.00 over cost. I just checked and the cheapest M70 I can get is a featherweight wholesale price of $635.06 before shipping.
     
  9. zhuk

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    Actually "sea of black polymer" doesn't sound so bad (when you are forbidden such things lol)

    Probably as they're such rare events and the target market is so miniscule here, gun shows have a definate sense of the parochial novelty in this country. And there's also a real feeling of "being with your own kind", if I can put it like that :p


    Don't imagine it feels quite like that in the US, due to size & frequency.
     
  10. DrumJunkie

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    Some of the more reputable dealers around here have the M70 around $550.00

    Yeah, supply couldn't meat demand for about a year after the election. I guess the supply is still behind now for some of the venders:rolleyes:
     
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  11. Bigcat_hunter

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    $550.00 for a model 70? It is probably old stock from before the new models came out because thats way below cost.
     
  12. Benning Boy

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    Election forcasting goes a long way. I stocked up about 6 months out from the Barackolypse, and got deals.

    I won't buy now till after November, as I suspect we'll be back in the safety zone.
     
  13. saviorslegacy

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    A gun show is like any other kind of market. You have those who will scam you and those who wish to be honest. Gun shops need to be honest or they will develope a bad reputation. At a gun show, however, they don't have to worry about thier reputation.

    Personally, I have seen some pretty good deals at gun shows. I saw a Mauser broom handle for 300 w/o the stock. I have seen them without stocks sale online for 800. The Mauser had good bore and good action to boot. It did not have matching serial numbers though, and the seller admitted it.
    Personally, I thought it was a good deal.
    I wouldn't mind to have a reproduction broom handle, with a bigger handle of course (custom).

    I also bought my first high calibur gun at a gun show for my 17th b-day last year for 107$ with everything + ammo.
    It was a Mosin Nagant.


    Anyways, I think it is bias to say that gun shows have become a place to get familiar with guns you want instead of a place to buy. That is unless things are different were you live. I have had problems with small gun shows only. They are the ones that are dumb. When you go to one that has like 100+ vendors, however, competetion between vendors keep the prices in check.
    That is why I never buy on the first time walking through (unless it is a good price). I always walk through to find points of interest and let time pass. When it nears the end of the day I will then go through and barter with desperate vendors wanting to make a buck before the day is out.
    I can usually get better deals that way.


    Well, that is just my thoughts on the matter.
     
  14. Pat-inCO

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    Don-cha-kno that FL is just full of rich retired folks that can afford that? :rolleyes: :D

    I have not been to the local version (Tanner, in Denver) for years. They do ten per year and I missed very few, until late in '08. The last one I went to was in August of '08 and the prices were out of reason even then. The "show" was about 40% jewelry, shirts, cammo crap, and other things for any non-gun females. - - I Pass.
     
  15. CA357

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    If you guys think you've got it bad, come to a gun show in California. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Davyboy

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    Yeh just the same over here you sort of feel you have come home on the rare occasion they are held