Gun shows are they a problem

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by dirtysouth, Oct 10, 2009.

  1. dirtysouth

    dirtysouth New Member

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    Now like any good card carrying gun lugging nuckle dragging male i like to go to gun and knife shows. There are some great deals to be had from them and its also good to talk to other gun people. But should there be more thought and planning regulating some of these shows.

    With kids being killed at gun show because of careless parents and careless dealers.

    With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened.
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    8-year-old shoots himself in the head at a Massachusetts gun show.

    Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

    "The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today. Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield.



    We also have the little sting operation that was done.
    small video to look at

    What it boils down to is that some booths are not doing back ground checks on people

    gun show loophole - Google News

    I think with good judgement by people then most anything can be avoided that kid didnt need to die. And sellers need o be a little more careful on who they sale to inless they want to lose there rights. tell me what you thank
     
  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    People selling their personally owned firearms may do so in most States without paperwork or background checks. This is supposed to allow me to sell a shotgun, rifle or pistol from my personal collection without the hassel of the check but what has happened is theat folks are buying guns and reselling them at gun shows.

    This is still within the law as the weapons are their personal collection, just seems some have a very large collection.

    As for the issue with the youngster with a fully automatic weapon, this was a sad incident where insufficient training and supervision lead to the childs death. As bad as a parent who does not buckle their child into a car seat, leaves them in a closed car while they shop or home alone while they work.
     

  3. Gus556

    Gus556 New Member

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    The bottom of the bell curve ALWAYS makes life more difficult for everyone else. Fact is, you posted two noted incidents in the past 2 years. In that time MILLIONS of guns were bought and sold, BILLIONS of rounds have been shot without incident.
     
  4. BuddyL

    BuddyL New Member

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    Gee let me see what I think,

    Are you people really buying into the liberal BS, close up the Gunshows because some stupid *** dealer and equally guilty father allowed a kid to shoot an uzi??
    Thought this was a gun forum, sorry for my mistake.
    I guess being further south is a different climate in more ways than one.
     
  5. divinginn

    divinginn New Member

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    I have bought quite a few guns at gun shows and have never seen a dealer sell a gun without doing the proper paper work and now background check. Are there a few doing it wrong,I am sure there are,but they will not keep their federal firearms liscense very long or their freedom. I would like to see the statistics on sales from a dealer verses private sales at gun shows,I would bet 95 percent of sales go legally through dealers. I see all the controversy coming from a bunch of liberal blowhards trying to blow smoke up all the sheeples arse.:rolleyes:
     
  6. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    50 years of attending gun shows and I can't think of one that had dealers displaying loaded weapons.

    I think the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass. incidence was a negligent outcome from two culpable individuals (father and firearm instructor) and a totally different purview than a true "Gun Show" that is being vilified by the lamestream media.

    In the prophetic words of our resident, uncommon sense, balance beam:

    “The stupid it burns.”
     
  7. IGETEVEN

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    The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today. Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield.

    Firearm Instructor my ***!!! :eek: I associate with, teach and train with Certified Firearm Instructors, and I do not know one that would not assist a young child, let alone an 8 year old boy, by not standing behind him and assisting support of the weapon and child, especially shooting an automatic weapon for the first time. Piss poor Instructor in my book. :mad: Also, loaded weapons and gun shows usually are a bad mix. JMHO yours may vary.

    Jack
     
  8. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I was under the impression that was a dedicated shooting experience at which people could pay to test fire some weapons that require special licenses and such to own as well as some classic military arms like Browning machine guns. I was also thinking that happened about a year ago.

    I have made a purchase of a rifle from a person selling from his personal collection at a gunshow. I would prefer that the feds stay out of the business of regulating personal transfers. I had been background checked for a pistol purchase at a gunshop maybe a few weeks before this personal transfer. The guy i purchased the rifle from had no more than maybe a half dozen rifles & a table full of accessories (most of which seemed to have come from the rifles for sale).
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Hell yes gun shows are a problem!

    I don't particularly like walking down the aisle of the grocery store picking out whatever food tastes good while Dr. Bicep is over there with his black tank top on holding package after package and reading ingredients.

    I don't need that kind of reminder of what kind of shape I am not in. Geez. :cool:
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That was not a gun show in the usual sense of the phrase. It was an outdoor event with live fire of (mostly) machine guns. All such firearms are already regulated to the nth degree.

    Guns are dangerous tools. Cars are dangerous tools. People get hurt and killed at car racing events (NHRA, NASCAR, INDY, CART, etc). That does not get teh same knee jerk reaction from the public. "Oh my gosh! A spectator was killed at NASCAR race by flying debris after a collision. We must ban all cars!!!"
     
  11. dirtysouth

    dirtysouth New Member

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    I want no govt or any man women or child to mess with my god givin right to bear arms. I have been to a few shows when they came to town and now i have never ran into a loaded weapon on display that would be just stupid and the person who had the weapon on display should be SHOT. As for for buying weapons at a gun show i like to think that people that are doing the buy and selling are all going to be on the up and up but frankly thats not always the case but you cant let the few ruin it for the many so i say just becareful who buy from what you buy and do your own home work because what one person is selling somebody prolly else is selling to.. If it sounds to good to be true it prolly is. So go to gun shows have fun buy buy buy and mingle what can it hurt.
     
  12. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    What about the penis? How many people get hurt because of penis related incidents. :D
     
  13. AcidFlashGordon

    AcidFlashGordon New Member

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    The only problem with gun shows is that there aren't enough big ones. Here in Las Vegas we get quite a few shows but most are in small venues (like the "meeting rooms" of casinos). The only really good ones are at Cashman Field because that is a HUGE convention space and there is plenty of room for a LOT of distributors. Other than that, I see no problem, whatsoever, with them. I've never seen gun sales at these shows done without the necessary Nevada paperwork being completed.
     
  14. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    I bet you have, orangello!
     
  15. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Well, i did lose a few tires to the knife of jealousy. :D
     
  16. james_black

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    We discussed this incident at the gun store I used to work. Do you guys know the "range officer" was a 17yr old kid? The gun show was run and owned by the Sheriff of that town.
    1. Father should know better and dont allowed his 8yr to handle a fully auto pistol. Common sense say he is to young to handle the recoil.
    2. A 17yr old kid doesn't have the experience necessary to instruct or supervise a child with a fully auto.

    Guys. The reason I mention this is because I haved worked with customers of all ages with fully automatics for 4 yrs. Our common sense at the store that a kid that small could handle it. The youngest I have deal with was 10yrs and he shot an mp5.

    Awful and tragic. I can imagine the father witnessing the death of his son.
    To concluded....bad supervision by event staff. Bad judgment by father.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2009
  17. Windwalker

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    As a private owner, I have bought and sold several guns at gun shows. If someone was looking at a gun I had for sale and made the statement that he was buying from an individual because he could not pass a background check, I would thank him for his interest but would not sell him the gun. That is just my personal reaction.
     
  18. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Right....but do you carry the forms with you? Or are you going to take some crazy idiot's word for it?
     
  19. WDB

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    In WA we have gun shows where people can buy, sell or trade firearm with out the paperwork. I believe most who sell at the show screen those they sell to as you would in any private sale. Often I have seen sellers pass on a guy who walks up and says "I want that one", they like to talk a bit about the gun and learn a bit about the person wanting to buy it. On another level we have WA State Arms Collectors, you have to be a member to buy, sell or trade at the show and have to pass a background check to be a member. I have bought and sold in both venues and doubt I have sold a firearm to a criminal and have never purchased a "hot" gun. Every purchase I make is followed up with the serial number check with the State patrol and that include purchases from a pawn shop.

    Gun show are a way for people to sell, buy or trade there firearms with out the middle man. Imagine if the only way you could buy, sell or trade your car was through an authorized car dealership. Before you say it isn't the same thing google deaths caused by privatily owned cars and compare it to deaths caused by privatily owned firearms.

    The OP example is the extreame example, A full auto "rent to shoot" event compared to the more common unloaded firearms shows. The gun show I attend I have to leave my conseal firearm (that I have a license for) in the car or have it zipped tied in an unfire postion. Every gun the in show I go to have the actions zipped tied in an unfire condition, if that isn't possible they have a trigger lock installed. The show in the OP was a full auto shooting event, not the normal gun show.
     
  20. lonyaeger

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    Many of those responsible for rampages that left many dead were intelligent people. I'm sure they could speak intelligently.....well enough to fool a private seller at a gun show. Just my opinion, and I don't live in Washington, but selling privately at a gun show could potentially be putting firearms into the hands of the wrong people. And the "selling of the car" analogy is apples to oranges, IMO.