Gun safes

Discussion in 'Firearm Accessories & Gear' started by IDVague, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. IDVague

    IDVague New Member

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    I've looked at most of the safes online and read some reviews. I'm leaning toward a Liberty Fatboy 64. Does anyone have any advice to offer before I sink a couple of grand into something?
     
  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Make sure you buy a safe that is double or triple the size you need.

    I have a 23 gun safe and I can only fit 1 shotgun 8 rifles and that is with the bolts out.

    Is you have 30 guns your going to need at least a 64 gun safe.

    Invest in a golden rod dehumidifier and if you can get lighting GET IT.

    IF you have pistols get some pistol racks and try not to store anything but important papers and guns. Keep the ammo in ammo boxes in a closet or somewhere else it eats up a lot of money.

    Liberty safes are good safes as are Amsec, cannon, and many others.
     

  3. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Type "gun safes" into the Search feature above and you will find a plethora of information and recommendations. Good luck!
     
  4. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills New Member

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    As a Locksmith/ Safecracker & part-time gun dealer I most like American Securities (AMSEC) BF series of safes. The biggest on is in my shop holdind the Handgun Inventory, I have that safe's lil' brother at my house. I like AMSEC because I don't believe they put together "too complicated" of a design. Also I have been using their products since 1990 and they stand behind their work with good warranty help when needed, as in they won't try to push the blame for a problem on someone else. I have seen their warranty service first hand several times and they are great.
     
  5. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    I have that exact safe in my garage. It is a very good value IF you shop around. I think a "couple thousand" dollars is way overpriced. Mine was about 75% of that price delivered 1+ hours from the store where I bought it. That was last year so the prices may have changed slightly. When comparitive shopping for other safes, be sure to keep in mind that the door-hung pistol organizer (which is good quality) and the modular safe interrior with rifle racks are included with that Liberty made safe. I found a few "good deals" on the internet but found that a local store was offering nearly as good a price with much less delivery hassle. I like to buy local when I can find a good store. The best safe that I have seen in person was a "Fort Knox" safe, which was about 3x the price. The worst safes that I have personally seen were the "Stack-On" safes which were much cheaper. The ones I looked at were junk, which I didn't want to deal with. If you are looking at the combonation options, I would recommend that you do a search on the "digital keypads" which are mostly all variants outsourced from a different manufacturer. There are several complaints of their longivity. I stuck to the dial for that reason but you might think the convenience outweighs the potential problems.
     
  6. IDVague

    IDVague New Member

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    Thanks for the replies, everyone.
     
  7. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

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    +10 on what Tango said.. go bigger than what you think you need. I got mine and outgrew it within a year. Now I am needing to either have two or sell this one and get nothing for it compared to what I paid.
     
  8. IDVague

    IDVague New Member

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    I'm definitely concerned about size. My concern is that when I see "64 gun capacity" and then see a picture with maybe 10 or 12 long guns in the safe. I wonder if the other 52 or 54 guns have to be .25 autos. What I need is the capability to store at least 24-30 long guns and an equal number of handguns. My prediction is I will be looking at two safes in all likelihood.
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    liberty safes are not safes they are lockable containers. the price you pay for the top of the line liberty is about where a real safe that might hold a rifle or two starts. dont confuse the two. the crap that you see on liberty's sight is pure BS.

    all that being said i have a liberty "safe" timberline which is the gander mountain version. i didnt buy it as a safe thinking my firearms were secure from a knowledgable determined thief. or would be safe from a fire. i bought it to deter some neighbrhood kid making off with my guns. by the time some idiot manged to peel it open either my wife or myself would return. one or the other of us is almost always at home. i bought it to keep my firearms in a low dust lower humidity environment.

    just be sure your buying it for the right reason.

    someday i may reinforce it with a 1/2 inch steel plate shell since i know how to weld and turn into an actual safe.

    i really like it for what it is. it is very nice quality piece. i recomend it for the price point.

    my timberline is basically a fatboy 64 with a slightly better interior layout at a better price. here is mine:

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  10. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    If you believe what they told you at Gander Mountain, then you better do your own research and look again.
    Essentually what you bought was a lighter safe with stripped down features to sell for a cheap price. The "Timber Ridge" series was made for Gander Mountain to compete against the rest of their entry level stuff and against sellers like Tractor Supply and Sams club. Everything from the thickness of the plating to the bolts and locking mechanism was cut down to cut costs vs this Fatboy series that the OP asked about. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing that my 800lb safe anchored to the concrete floor qualifies as a gun locker. In the end you can weld an inch of plating all over the safe but someone that determined in the first place is gonna just go through the lock. No safe is fullproof. These things are all rated by time it takes a would be theif to break in and gain access. Im sure a gumsmith can jump in and give us specifics of what the locks are rated for. When you buy from places like Gander Mountain to save a few bucks, you generally get less than what you paid for on the end. I can imagine the blank look on the kids face if you try to go back to Gander Mountain with a customer service issue.
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    i know what i bought there. the point is that a power tool will go throug a fatboy or my timbrline nobig diff. the thickness of cheap sheet steel that liberty uses doesnt matter. the cheaper version offers no less protection than the more pricey fatboy. my point is they are not safes but merely lockable containers.

    with my metal working tools i can be in my safe through the side in minutes. i didnt ask the gander mountain sales guy a thing about its capabilities since i am very well acquanted with what a real safe is. my concern was price vs storage and organizational layout. i dont believe a damn thing liberty has to say about fire ratings lock toughness etc. the metal liberty "safes" are made of is cheap roll steel increasing its thickness offers no real protection. its very easy to cut with real power tools.

    real safes are tpical constructed with either plate steel as used to armor fighting vehicles or cut resistant plate steel alloys

    yes the lock is always the weak link but only real pro's know how to defeat even simple locks as found on liberty products. for real security you need glass locker door and true steel thickness. but most people myself included dont need that much security. so things like liberty safe company product serve just fine.

    liberty services the timberline gun lockers they sell whether it is purchased from gander walmart cabelas bass pro or fred's midnite emporium.

    whether you buy a more pricey fatboy which offers no more real protection or the less cost alternatives the fact is liberty skews their propaganda to imply their product seem something it isnt.

    i think you missed my meaning. my whole point is dont be suckered by liberty and that retard spokesman glenn beck into thinking your getting something your not.
     
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  12. fixxer

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    Gotcha. That was kinda my point with Gander Mountain and the like too. I know there are some experienced younger folks (like the CMP trained types for example) but it seems like I am walking into a Junior High prom with camoflage theme when it comes to shopping there. It seems like the only people over 25 that work there are in the back smithing or managing the place. I rarely go into these places unless I am killing time. I have to admit that they always have a decent selection of just about everything but they seem to recruit at high school. Call it profiling but I always have to make an effort look for the older folks in these stores if I have any questions. I didn't know Beck was a spokesman for Liberty. I hate that retard too and now I'm concerned about the virtue of the company behind my gun sanctuary. I'm thoroghly convinced he is constrained to using chalk due to his danger of handling sharper objects. I digress...
     
  13. combatshop

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    Buy Big

    I second or third that. I bought one, added another and am looking to replace both with a bigger one now.
     
  14. john55555

    john55555 New Member

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    I only have 2 handguns. I keep them in a safe that I bought off Ebay for pretty cheap- its a biometric safe, which means it reads your fingerprint to open. I think its listed at Ebay under something like 'Biometric Fingerprint Gun Pistol Safe' Anyway its pretty secure and I bolted it to the floor in my closet. Its not very big, but thats ok since I only have a few handguns to store. Also it will be harder for would-be thieves to find since it is smaller than most. I keep my rifles in a bigger safe, I have had it since 2000.
     
  15. willfully armed

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    i bought two of the 28 gun Stack On total defense from Dicks sporting goods.

    One houses accessories, ammo, and whatever. it is mounted along side of the other. The second houses the guns. it is against two concrete walls. I figure if someone actually had the know how and the time, they would be cussing by the time they got the first one opened. as there arent any good options at cutting into the gun safe.
     
  16. FrankJArnold

    FrankJArnold New Member

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    You should make sure which size of gun safe do you need. You had better choose the gun safe with the biomatric feaure if you wanna the quick opening speed. You can learn some great models here.