Gun safe recommendations

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by lonyaeger, May 19, 2010.

  1. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    All these years I've been pressing my luck by not keeping my firearms in a safe. I have to change that because some day it will catch up with me.

    So can y'all recommend a good safe that won't break the bank? Looking to spend up to about $1,200....can I get a good one for that amount? I see lots of them from $2,000 and way up, and I don't want to do that.
     
  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Remember to buy 3 times what you think you are going to need. The only way you will fit 32 guns in a 32 gun safe is if they are all bb guns and you stack them right.

    I have a Timber Ridge (Liberty safe made for Gander Mnt.) I got a 23 gun safe and now I have 10 rifles. I have to take the bolts out and move 3 out of the safe to fit the remaining 7 in there. half of my rifles are rimfire at that.

    I would look at a Cannon safe or an Amsec. Might be a bit above your budget but they are nice. Browning makes some nice safes as well.

    Gun Safes

    Cannon Safe Series | Cannon

    AMSEC Safes

    Now if you want the MAC DADDY gun safe of all gun safes. Then look no further than a Graffunder. HOLY CRAP are these babies are awesome. Where as all the other all use sheet metal albeit thick, it is still sheet metal. These guys use steel plate 1.5 to 2" thick in places. They have glass re-lockers and the whole shebang. Of course the small one weighs in at 1230# that is the baby low class safe where as a cannon 22 gun weighs in at 620# that Graffunder is more then twice that.

    Graffunder Safe and Vault Doors from Sage Safe Co.



    Here is my thinking behind why I say Cannon when they are double what you want to spend. Buy big buy good and don't worry about it. I look at my safe as an investment. If you don't have 50 guns but you know you might end up with that many then get the 50 gun. I wish I would have. The extra space can be used to hold important documents. I have a small firesafe with the most important documents in side my gun safe. Both are rated to resist fire for 90 minutes. So I figure the stuff is double safe.


    If you are dead set on not spending more than $1200 there the only one I see is the ( I HATE this) Gander Mountain http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...un_Safe_Brass_Hardware&aID=510L1&merchID=4006
     
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  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Lon - I would recommend you watch this video. I posted it before in a thread for Scubie, and I think you were in that thread so maybe you have seen it.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXySHf9JSxc"]YouTube - Quality Gun Safes[/ame]

    Tango is right, Graffunder is the Mac Daddy of all safes, unless you buy an old bank and use their vault as your personal gun paradise. :eek:

    I did a TON of research before I upgraded. My first safe was not a good choice. It was small, it was "affordable" and it could have probably been defeated in less than the 1:44 in that video.

    That said, it kept my stuff safe and sound and made me "feel" better about having my weapons locked up.

    I visited several safe makers' booths at SHOT for a couple of years. Kept himming and hawing back and forth. Couldn't pull the trigger.

    I really wanted the Graffunder, but I could not justify the kind of money they wanted for it. I didn't have that kind of cash to blow on a safe and still be able to afford to eat. :(

    After a long search, I ended up getting a Summit Safe, the Cascade series. They have a lot of the same protection features that Graffunder has in their safes ( full welds on an all steel body, active-locking bolts, punch proof locks ) but it wasn't nearly as expensive.

    http://www.summitsafes.com/cascade.html

    I don't hold any illusion that it is "as good as" a Graffunder, but it's a damn good safe and it's locked down to my concrete slab garage with 4 monster bolts so it is not going anywhere.

    I would strongly recommend doing a lot of research before just settling for the safe you think you "need" right now.

    JD
     
  4. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    Don't forget the other aspect of most safes. Fire protection. Make sure that whatever safe you choose has decent fire protection. I have been told by safe dealers at gun shows that fire ratings are not as standardized as they appear so a 1 hour rating on one safe might actually mean something different than a 1 hour rating on another safe. I don't know how true that is, I thought a UL rating was supposed to be standardized but maybe there are other raters out there or something.
     
  5. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    Thanks guys, good feedback all. I WILL do a lot of research because I am a "research kind of guy!" I knew I could count on y'all to get me on the right track.

    And Brett.....enough is enough with the sig line already. Cheesh!!!
     
  6. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    Couldn't find the price for the Cascade on the link, JD. Do you remember about how much you paid for it?
     
  7. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Lon this place is not by you but it does dive you a price to look at.

    Cascade Edition
     
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  9. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    Day-yum! Thanks man. Guess you get what you pay for and I agree that this is something that I should not scrimp on. Plus, you're right about using it as a safe to store all other valuables in as well.
     
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  10. jbd

    jbd New Member

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    I bought a Liberty ''Centurion" 23 gun safe 30 min. fire rating about two years ago have been impressed with the safe. I paid 650.00 out the door from the Liberty dealer here, but as Tango said I wish I would gotten double the size. I would suggest a look at Liberty.
     
  11. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I'll have to check when I get home Lon.

    When I started shopping, I had a price in mind for the safe, and I was under the impression that I had to pay the 9.3% sales tax also. Turns out, here in Washington at least, gun safes are tax free. :p

    So, I was able to upgrade a couple of components, get the free interior light and de-humidifier, and get it delivered and only went over budget by a few hundred.... LOL

    I'll check tonight and get back to you.

    JD
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    That is correct Yunus. What some dealers do is subject the safe to a fire of increasing temperature, over a specified period of time.

    Start at say 500 degrees, increase every 10 minutes for an hour, maybe 20 degrees, maybe 50, maybe more. Whatever point the stuff starts to go downhill, that setting ( or the previous setting if they are being generous ) is where the safe is "rated" at for an hour in time.

    My safe is rated for 60 minutes, and my understanding is that is 1200 degrees start point and subjected to that for a full 60 minutes.

    Now, I don't know how quickly a house fire will reach 1200 degrees. I read a couple of studies that said rooms where there was NO FIRE could heat up to as much as 350-400 within 4 minutes of a house officially being set ablaze.

    I also read that at ground zero of a wood house fire it could reach as high as 1800 degrees in less than 15 minutes.

    My safe is in my garage, on a concrete slab, on an exterior wall and within 20 feet of the hose, so while I don't think it would withstand a full house fire, I also don't think it will be subjected to it any time soon.

    JD
     
  13. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    I sure appreciate that, man!
     
  14. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    I would probably be doing the same. Any strong opinions for or against the garage?
     
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    RadioActiV New Member

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    You can also shop around on used safes. I picked my browning platinum 30 up for 1800 from a guy on craigslist. I also had a lock smith change the combo and key for it. I was under my 2500 spending limit after everything was said and done. I personally think I did good on that investment. On the pro's and cons of a garage kept safe? I have mine in my mud room. Which is a hallway between my garage and house. I didn't put my safe in my garage because I was afraid that any intruder could just hook a chain and drag it out and leave with it. I live out in the middle of nowhere so chances are they would get away with it. But if you live a decently populated area then you could put your safe in the garage. My main water line also shares the wall with my safe so i a fire breaks out i can just kick the wall in and break it. My safe would have water on it until the fire dept. arrives.
     
  16. Dillinger

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    I have to be honest, it wasn't my first choice. I wanted it in the master bedroom. I mean, that is where I spend 50% of the time I am home, why not?

    Well, a flight of stairs, 4 serious turns in a tight space and the fact that the safe weighs A LOT. I talked to a guy at the place I bought the safe and they don't recommend putting them in an upstairs ANYTHING unless you reinforce the flooring.

    Now, I know my builder, and I am SURE he didn't do anything fancy with the flooring on the second story unless he HAD TO by code. Having several hundred pounds crash through onto the kitchen didn't sound like a good plan to me.

    So, I went with the big safe in the garage, and I have my small econo safe upstairs with me and I keep a loaded pistol, my FN and some ammo up there.

    The set up works, and I don't have any problems with the security of the safe because if you can get into the garage, my two German Beasts can get to you. :D

    I was against a garage mounted safe, until I talked to an expert on the matter and did some thinking about my own home set up.

    Now, if I was building the house from scratch? Oh Heeeelllllll YES!

    I would have a MONSTER walk in safe off the master bedroom that was lined with cool stuff.

    JD
     
  17. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    Yeah, I couldn't put my waterbed upstairs for the same reason.

    j/k...do they even MAKE waterbeds any more?

    I'm thinking I like the garage idea. I doubt the wife would stand for it in the master (although I would LOVE it in the master). As long as I have a dehumidifier, I think the garage would be the optimum....in my situation, I don't think I'll have many BG problems.
     
  18. cpttango30

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    Lon just build an addition on to the house. Get you an old sealand container and have a vault door made for it. Finish out the inside with gun racks and crushed velvet and a leather sitting chair and a black velvet smoking robe. Now that would be the sh!t right there.
     
  19. ALSGUN

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    I purchased a Liberty safe a couple of years ago for about a grand, I am very pleased with it, but like everyone says, buy a bigger one than you need. I originally had it put in a den, but it takes up quite a bit of space. One day I was cleaning out a closet and found that about 1/2 the closet was not being used and it was hard to get to the back of the closet anyway...Long story short, I had it built into a wall with a false panel. With the house security system and the backup alarm on the safe plus being hidden and almost impossible to move out of a solid wall, I think it is as safe as can be expected.
     
  20. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger Active Member

    Then I get that bling bling Glock that someone posted several weeks ago and the Kimber 1911 Commemorative and I'll be set. :D