Gun Rights Protest Day October 19th 2013

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Vikingdad, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Saw this on FB today.

    http://theadanews.com/editorials/x789520741/Gun-group-organizing-nationwide-rally

     
  2. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise, on the third Saturday of October I'll be exercising my right to carry.....



    my shotgun in the fields and streams of South Dakota celebrating the opening day of pheasant season.:eek:

    If you are an anti-gunner, ant-hunter, etc., you would not be happy visiting Pierre, SD in late October. :cool:
     

  3. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    I do all of that every day just to have fun. I didn't know it was a form of protest. All I have to do is have a brick of 22 LR ammo visible and half the neighborhood is here to help me shoot it all. If the fed tried to confiscate all the guns in this area they would need a platoon of marines and a string of dump trucks.
     
  4. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 New Member

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    I'm going to check and see what gun owners here are doing that day, count me in.
     
  5. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I will try to push this in Central Florida.
     
  6. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    I will be shooting somewhere that day, and I will ride to wherever that will be by open carrying in whatever I'll be riding in..
     
  7. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Pissing off the neighbors and advertising that I'm a gun owner and where I live, is not my idea of a viable form of protest.
    If the people of Massachusetts and many of the other states in this country want to make a meaningful move, they should get together and start a class action lawsuit over the extended wait times for licenses being renewed and issued.
    These ridiculous delays of anywhere from 3 months to a year are not only inexcusable they are illegal. The law clearly states the allowed timeframe. Many individuals are left waiting long beyond the 90 day grace period after renewal and find themselves unable to leave their residence with the guns they are now illegally storing at no fault of their own.

    Do the second amendment groups do anything about this? No, and that is 1 example of why they no longer receive money from me.
     
  8. MTHunter

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    Circumstance and intent are irrelevant when exercising our RIGHTS. They are RIGHTS not privileges and no one should ever have to justify the circumstance or intent behind the way the exercise their rights. Anyone who believes any different is no better than Obama, Feinstein and the rest of the gun grabbers. I am sick of us gun owners always being on the defensive it is time for us to take the initiative and and go on the offensive. It is time to the left that we are not going to bow down any longer.
     
  9. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    If someone carries a gun with the OBVIOUS intent of intentionally killing someone just for the hell of it, D=do you think they should be allowed to do as they please until they kill that person?

    Intent IS the difference.

    People should be allowed to carry anything they please, when they please, and how they please. They should NOT be allowed to intentionally harass someone. At that point, it is no longer a gun issue.

    There is a major difference between wearing a gun for your protection or to protest, and getting a gun and going into public with a camera with the intent of tracking down a cop and harassing them.

    You have a right to wear a gun or protest. You DON'T have a right to intentionally harass someone.
     
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  10. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    The intent is exactly the same, to draw attention to the decline of our rights. According to you and your buddies, if one man protests, he's a douchebag, but if a group gets together then it's ok. Don't give me the crap about videoing. 1. if nobody see's your protest it won't matter
    2. you better believe there will be camera's on Oct. 19

    Video is a great way to show people what's going on..............you know like the news media does and has been doing since forever. What is it that bothers you guys about seeing the police trampling on peoples rights? We've all agreed for the most part that 2A is not just for hunting and sport. We've all agreed in other threads that we should be allowed to have the same weapons that the police and military use. So why the hostility towards the guys that actually carry these weapons?
     
  11. MTHunter

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    Until they have committed the crime of murder then they have done nothing wrong. People who cannot stand guns are going to feel harassed by someone carrying regardless of intent. So no I am not one bit concerned with someone feeling harassed by my exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights to the fullest extent possible. The cops would not have felt harassed had they not harassed law abiding citizens. Yes I would probably be a complete dick to a cop if one harassed me for simply exercising my rights.
     
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  12. texaswoodworker

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    It's not what they may do, it's what they PLAN on doing. There are plenty of open carrier vs cop videos where the open carrier states before hand what he is going to do.

    The normal everyday guy who is open carrying a gun? He's fine. Will he get stopped? Probably. That's just a fact of life, but it's not really a violation of your rights unless they arrest you. If they violate one of your other rights, then I agree with you.

    The guy who goes out with the INTENTION of finding a cop, and harassing them and videoing it for youtube if they get stopped? That's not a rights issue. That's a harassment issue.

    I'd like to point out that I am someone who believes in TOTAL rights. I just don't see this as a rights issue though. You don't have the right to intentionally harass someone. The same as how you don't have the right to murder someone.
     
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  13. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I am one of those who opposed the open carry movement in California, yet I support this. Some of you may see this as a conflict of interest, but having been through this personally in my state I can tell you that circumstances and intent are exactly what screwed us out of our open carry rights. Those retards were intentionally open carrying in circumstances that were intentionally harassing people who may or may not have been anti-gun in the first place, but the ones that weren't before certainly became anti-gun after all of the negative publicity that was created by their foolhardy actions. They were intentionally harassing the anti-gun majority in this state under the false belief that they were promoting the cause of lawful and responsible gun owners. What they did was like throwing the frog onto the hot stove rather than putting it in a pot of cool water and slowly raising the heat. The frogs jumped off the stove, turned off the heat and disconnected the stove. The damned fool open carry activists who were open carrying into shopping malls and Starbucks are directly responsible for the California state legislature making all open carry illegal, loaded or not.

    Empty holsters? Different message. I'll be wearing one come October 19th.
     
  14. MTHunter

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    Many of those who were upset about that would have been upset regardless of the circumstances or the intent. And why the shouldn't they have open carried into Starbucks or malls? I would have been right there with them. They obviously were not breaking any laws and were simply exercising their rights. I will never give 2 ****s if someone is upset by how I exercise my rights because it is not my problem. Circumstance and intent are irrelevant because those who would be upset would be upset regardless.

    Different message no it is the exact same message: "That we will exercise our 2nd Amendment right regardless of what the anti's think."
     
  15. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Have you ever had to live behind enemy lines where the sheeple are deeply entrenched in their wrongheaded beliefs? That is what its like here in CA. If I lived wherever you are (can't tell where you live) I might feel as you do. In some places it works in your favor to open carry and to express your 2A rights flagrantly wherever you go. But not here in CA and the results of those protests (Sacramento outlawed ALL open carry) bear out witness to what I am saying.

    Its throwing the frog into a hot stovetop like I said.
     
  16. nitestalker

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    Politics are about converting people to your side. The facts are strangers wearing side arms in a Mall scares the Hell out of mom and the kids.
    A well groomed group of pro-gun activist handing out polite easy to read pleas for Constitutional rights. Will recruit more help than a camo coat and a .500 S&W hanging on your belt.
    The idea of protecting our rights are for the future. An armed shock treatment for one day is simply not wise. Try exercising your first amendment rights that one is also important. :)
     
  17. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Nightstalker I am truly impressed. That is precisely the approach that might have turned things a different direction here in CA 3 or 4 years ago.

    I do believe that an empty holster would be an effective tool.
     
  18. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I understand what you are saying. My argument isn't whether it's wise or not. I'm just saying it's not illegal, so leave the guy alone. I've never said there isn't a better way of doing things, all I'm saying is just because you or I or anyone else doesn't think it's wise is irrelevant. It's legal, it's his right and that should be the end of it. Us as pro 2A people should not be telling others what type of gun they can carry or how to carry it or whether he should video the encounters with law enforcement. For us to do so is nothing but hypocrisy. Everybody on this forum pisses and moans about certain weapons being banned or magazine capacity laws and all the gun control bs but then some of you turn around and do the exact same thing to others that you think are unwise. Maybe it is unwise for these guys to sling an AK on their back and carry a video camera but you have to admit one thing. It has people talking and listening and thinking. It will never change the mind of anti gun people but it just might wake up some who never thought about it before.

    If you guys think this fight is about changing the minds of liberal anti gun people, you are dreaming, it will never happen. It's time to stop compromising with them. This fight is about showing them that we will not tolerate anymore of their crap.
     
  19. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    You couldn't be more wrong. There is a saying: "Your right to swing your fist ends where your fist touches my nose" (paraphrase). Which is to say that your rights end where they begin to interfere with anybody else's rights.

    The open-carry activists in California have infringed upon my right to carry through their ham-fisted and ill advised tactics. THEY created the situation where the CA legislators felt it was necessary to outlaw open carry entirely in this state. Had they not been so militant and used such crude and thuggish methods that only served to scare people and rather taken the time to organize and educate people it either would not have changed at all (which would be preferable to what did, in fact, happen) or perhaps we might have gotten the right to carry loaded firearms back!! The prohibition on loaded carry was signed into law by none other than Governor Ronald Reagan in 1967 as a direct result of the Black Panthers openly and militantly open carrying loaded firearms into the Capitol in Sacramento. It was legal for them to do so. The results of them exercising their legal rights was a direct infringement on the rights of all Californians. I have spoken with one of the founders of the Black Panthers, Mr. Bobby Seale, just a few months ago and asked him if he thought that their use of firearms and the resulting ban on loaded open carry in California was justified in light of the lack of progress the Panthers obtained as a result of that protest, and he said no. It was a loss of rights and that is never a good result. There was no net gain from that series of protests involving loaded open carry.
     
  20. rjd3282

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    If you are going to blame someone for the loss of your rights. Start with the people who took them from you. California and other places were taking your rights away long before these guys started to protest. It's the reason they are protesting. This is like a muslim blaming the rape victim for being raped. You got raped and now you are blaming the people who are protesting the rape instead of the rapist. If you guys don't see this then we really have lost this fight.