gun owner arrested at Obama rally

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Musket, Sep 9, 2008.

  1. Musket

    Musket New Member

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    Now this is an interesting situation:
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    TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 9, 2008 :: Last modified: Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:52 PM EDT

    Arrest at Obama rally sparks gun rights debate
    By Bill Vidonic, Times Staff

    John Noble said he’s openly worn a handgun while attending the annual Maple Syrup Festival in Bradys Run Park.

    He’s worn it to a Bridgewater book signing.

    The Industry man said he’s never been confronted by police over his habit of wearing a holstered pistol on his waist — that is until Aug. 29.

    Noble’s arrest at the Barack Obama campaign rally at Beaver’s Irvine Park has raised questions about gun rights.

    “There was no disturbance until (law enforcement) made one,” Noble said.,,,,,,,,,,more:

    http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/09/08/news/doc48c31d45df16c948109432.txt
     
  2. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    A whole new can of worms is about to be opened...
     

  3. RL357Mag

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    A clear infringement of his rights! That a-hole DA's statement about "being allowed to light a match, but not in a TNT factory" is completely irrelevant! I'm sure every "TNT Factory" has signs posted warning people not to light matches - were there any signs posted warning people not to bring their guns to the rally? Were there any signs banning your right to open carry on that day because Obama was in town- no, and if there were, THAT would be cause for a lawsuit as well.
     
  4. user4

    user4 New Member

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    Have to agree with the consensus. Do a person's constitutional rights fail to exist at a political rally? The answer is a resounding "no".
     
  5. Musket

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    I had to scratch my head about this one for a bit....

    Was he aware that he "might" cause a stir? probably.

    Does that mean he has any less right to carry legally? no.

    I mulled it over for awhile, and thought to myself that he also has a right to attend the rally and speak his opinion that he disagrees with xyz, and that would be his right too.

    I think the fact that he was not on the same premises as the rally makes a huge difference too. How far away does one need to be before we can exercise any constitutional right?

    I believe the police should have definitely investigated him at the scene (it could be a credible threat). However, once they determined he was not breaking the law or maing threats, they should have let him continue on his way.


    Would I have done this? No, probably not. But that does not mean he cant.

    Just my opinion.
     
  6. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    This isn't over, not by a long shot! The LAMESTREAM news media WILL milk this for everything they can get out of it. And then Nobama will make it his personal crusade.

    Ho how this sucks...
     
  7. Dillinger

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    I don’t think this was the time or the place to show your rights,” David said.

    That from the Beaver County Sheriff.

    While not associated with the Obama campaign, so they can't technically be blamed, I still have to ask WHEN exactly is a good time for a US Citizen to be "Allowed" to exercise their rights?

    Scary!

    JD
     
  8. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    The DA isn't any better:
    So, if you see a gun, it must mean someone is up to no good, even if it is holstered and being carried in a peaceful fashion in plain sight, in compliance with local law.

    I'd like to see where it's written that people have the right to not be alarmed at something they see. And frankly, if people do fill their pants at the sight of a holstered handgun, they're idiots (which explains why they're at an Obama rally in the first place).

    If anyone's interested in communicating your thoughts, Beaver County Sheriff George David can be contacted at (724) 728-3934 x11243 (phone) and (724) 728-2412 (fax). His address is 810 Third Street, Beaver, PA 15009. There is no email address I could find.

    DA Berosh's contact info is: 810 Third Street, Beaver, PA 15009...(724) 773-8550 (phone) and (724) 728-0710 (fax) and his email is district_attorney@co.beaver.pa.us

    Please be polite if you feel compelled to sound off.
     
  9. Musket

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    I was thinking that too--why do gun owners always immediatly get labled as raving lunatics as soon as any antigunner spots anything gun related?

    Something that REALLY incensed me recently was a formal statement made by the HSUS to the effect that if you allow guns in National Parks, poaching will be rampant.

    AHEM--just because you own a gun does not make you a poacher. Poachers by their very definition do NOT abide by the law, and therefore will be already in the National parks poaching.

    I wore an NRA member lapel pin to work one day.....I alarmed several coworkers, and eventually one director suggested I take it off--it was making people uneasy. mmm...a one inch lapel pin with the NRA logo makes you nervous? At the risk of being written up, I asked if she thought I might poke someones eye out with it...she was NOT amused. :D

    I continued wearing it and no one else said a word. (watch out--I have a lapel pin and I KNOW how to use it :eek: )

    So yes, I get frustrated by the fact that the antis automatically equate someone having a gun with being a crazed person. :mad:
     
  10. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    OK, You are LABELED at work now! You are now called: "that crazy guy with the dangerous NRA lapel pin". You are also at the TOP of the water cooler topics! Don't you just love small-time office scuttlebutt???
     
  11. Musket

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    Well, I left the company, or rather they left me--we were bought out by another corporate giant and a large portion of the staff was tossed out the back door. Can you say outsourced?

    And, I would be that "woman" with the NRA lapel pin, which I think caused even more of a stir. But, I dont care, I frighten people in my own right without mentioning that I am a card carrying member of the NRA HAHAHA :p

    I used the last weeks of employment to alternate my lapel pins--I have a little tiny AA winchester shell (you may have seen it in catalogues--its about an inch long). This caused HORROR for some folks--Oh NO! You have a fake miniature shotgun shell! AHHHHHHH!!! :eek:
     
  12. Dillinger

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    Actually Musket would be labeled as the crazy LADY with the dangerous NRA pin. :D

    JD
     
  13. Musket

    Musket New Member

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    You know, I can get MORE dangerous NRA lapel pins. I could arm people nationwide with one inch sharp pins, and we could take over the world....... mmwhhaaaahhaa :D
     
  14. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    I'm freakin' sorry I "presumed" you to be... well you know... and WHAT THE HELL KIND of NAME is MUSKET for a Lady???? LOL
     
  15. Musket

    Musket New Member

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    Dont worry, its not a problem.

    I relate to a musket--old and rusty, but still deadly :D
     
  16. dunerunner

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    A close personal friend, his wife and family relocated to Texas for job related reasons. Being native born and raised Kalifornians, they were un aware of the open carry laws in Texas. While paying for gas at a convenience store, my friend was literally staring at another customers hand gun properly holstered on his hip. The man turned to him and said, "You're form California, aren't you!"

    People who don't know guns or are anti gun get very nervous around guns. In the case above, i'm sure the Police were wearing weapons openly. If folks only knew..cops are people too with just as many problems as everyone else. This guys rights got stomped on and I hope he files suit. BTW, what is this c*&p about not returning the weapon?
     
  17. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    Well, Texas doesn't allow open carry yet. Only concealed. My guess is, he was a plain clothes LEO. We have many of them in Texas. The ONLY time a weapon isn't returned is if : it is illegal, or being retained as evidence. If it's legitimate property it does get returned, eventually,
     
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  18. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    Well said! I guess I need to change my name... the old & ruusty part will fit nicely.
     
  19. pioneer461

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    This is obvious political persecution. The state law, as quoted in the story seems clear that he was breaking no law. Just because some sniveling bed-wetter was frightened at the sight of a holstered gun, this poor guy has a very expensive problem on his hands. Even though he's apparently 100% lawful in his behavior, he's now going to be required to prove his innocence, contrary to the constitutional presumption of innocence.

    It is not our responsibility to educate the public, or the police, so the public can attend sociocrat political rallies without feeling "threatened."

    Although it isn't a slam-dunk, it's a case that can be beaten. It will be expensive and I hope the NRA or other gun rights organizations jump on this one and help.

    Lessons learned.....

    1. Most cops don't know a thing about guns and gun laws.
    2. Be careful what you write on the gun forums. It may come back to haunt you.

    However....

    It seems like common sense to me to assume that attending a political rally for a major candidate for the presidency, will bring you to the attention of those who's job it is to protect that person. I don't think our guy used the best judgement. There's a line from Jurassic Park regarding DNA and cloning; "Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD." I know some will disagree, but that's my opinion.

    Open carry fans, how far are you willing to go? If he'd just been concealed, this would not be a story. For my money, it doesn't make sense to go through this just to prove a point, but then I don't have unlimited funds or time to fight it. You may, but I don't. I'll keep mine out of sight.

    Warning:

    If Barack Hussein Obama is elected president, his supreme court appointees could wind up hearing this case. If so, we lose.