gun manufacturer offerings

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by mattybock, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. mattybock

    mattybock New Member

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    I have a little question and a goal for the future. You see I plan to start up my own gun manufacturing company, a cooperative, based around a few solid and well know gun designs.
    I'm going to post up my idea for a menu of sorts, a selection of guns for sale and the prices that I suspect will be charged for them. Being a cooperative, the profit from each gun is about $100, in addition tot he base cost of the steel and wood.

    rifles ; $160 each.
    - winchester 1894 clone
    - classic lined bolt action rifle based on the 1903 springfield.
    - remington rolling block clone
    - 22 single shot for kids
    - semi-auto rifle based on ruger 10 and the SKS

    shotguns; $130 each
    - pump action based on mossberg 500
    - SXS
    - semi-auto

    pistols; $130 each
    - 1911A1 clone
    - Luger P08 replica
    - 1873 SAA clone
    - Raven P25 clone
    - S&W generic clone

    black powder; $80 - 120 each
    - simple Tennessee rifle
    - matchlock musket

    other; $650
    - 1903 gatling gun clone

    What guns do you like of these? What's missing? Any other thoughts?
     
  2. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    Yanno, in the Forties, a guy named Tucker tried to do this with

    cars. The Big Three fried him up, melted cheese on him,

    and ate him for breakfast...

    Hell, why not piss off Beretta and Glock, too?

    Offer a knock-off of the 92FS, and the Glock, well,

    whatever.
     

  3. mattybock

    mattybock New Member

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    well that was in a very tight and non-competitive economy where the big three held a virtual monopoly. In the gun work that simply doesn't exist.
     
  4. bearrwe

    bearrwe New Member

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    Are you in the same gun world I've been in for over thirty years? Can you say AMT Lightning, that's just a well known one, there are many law suits, not to mention "safety concerns" suggested by your competition. You have to figure all costs of business, materials, employees and lawsuits.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Matty, i think it's a novel idea at best, but i think Wolf is right. and the the big difference is, that Tucker had some very original ideas in the areas of safety when it came to the automobile. you seem to be wanting to what has already been done and what is being done currently. come up with something original and innovative, and it might stand a chance.
     
  6. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You'd be a lot better off customizing firearms as a business.
     
  7. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    You think you can make those guns for $20-$60, leaving you with a $100 profit? You thought about insurance? Or the $100K + CNC machines you'll need? Or the other things from outside sources, like plating, getting certain parts hardened, boxes to put them in, act? And, don't forget the manufacturer's license......
     
  8. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Matty, I like your enthusiasm, and I like how you are wanting to get guns out to the public at an easy to afford price, but this would be a lot harder than you think. The machines, insurance, parts, ect. are going to cost a poo load of money. If you do get into doing this, there are a few things you should consider.

    1. Unless you want lawsuits thrown at you from every direction, I'd avoid copying name brand name guns, and stick to either military guns, or designing your own (nothing wrong with seeing how other companies' guns are designed though. It would help you know how they function, and maybe give you a few ideas.)
    Another idea would be to replicate guns that manufactures are no longer making like the Remington Model 11/Browning Auto 5. I am not sure about the laws on this, so I'd run it by a very good lawyer first.

    2. Focus on quality, not quantity. I'd rather pay an extra $100-$200 for a gun that is very well made, and accurate than buy one that is cheap, but either has horrible accuracy, or could blow up in my hands.

    3. Get a damn good lawyer.

    Good luck.
     
  9. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You are forgetting insurance. I had a product I wanted to manufacture and insurance killed it. It more than doubled my cost and priced me out of the market.
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    even if you got it going and started selling without very expensive insurance and a good legal team on retainer, the first lawsuit would put you out of business.
     
  11. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Well, that's a interesting list. I especially like the P08 for $130. Send
    me the first 10, I'll pay cash on delivery.

    I guess I really only have one question:

    What the heck have you been smoking?
     
  12. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    and could I have some?


    Get a GOOD accountant. Besides the machinery, raw materials, workers and insurance, you will need a license from the BATFE as a manufacturer, and pay Federal Excise Tax on each gun you make.

    Failure to pay those taxes put Ithaca out of business.
     
  13. Ranger-6

    Ranger-6 New Member

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    Ever think about potato cannons?
     
  14. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Ever hear of a guy named Johnathan Phillips? Made a revolver that chambered over 20 different cartridges, without changing cylinders or barrels... Totally original, and nothing else like it, strongest revolver ever made...

    He made about 500 before he was outta business... (Thanks Colt!!) :(
     
  15. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I think AR-15 stripped lowers might be a decent way to get your foot in the door. There's not too much difference between two quality stripped lowers, so be sure to create a really cool roll mark. ;)

    Still, GET A REALLY GOOD LAWYER!!!
     
  16. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I'm kimd of interested in his revolvers. How did Colt put him out of business?
     
  17. TLuker

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    I like your enthusiasm and it's great to think out side of the box, but I can't imagine you ever being able to sell guns at those prices. Most companies really don't make that much per gun (or anything else). They make a little per product and then that adds up to a lot because of the volume.

    It really is a competitive market and it's tough to gain any sort of advantage. That's why most of the innovations in the last 50 years have been in regard to making guns cheaper rather than better. Plastic frames weren't an improvement in performance, but rather in cost. The same goes for cast receivers instead of forged, and stamped sheet metal parts instead of machined metal. You could make a gun every bit as good as a pre 64 Winchester model 70, but very few would be able to afford it. Just go and buy a piece of quality walnut for a stock and see what the price is before you even begin to shape and finish it.

    And like others, I would also advise against reproducing what has already been made. Think of guns and gun manufacturing as evolution. You might love dinosaurs but they're extinct for a reason. Plastic frames where a brilliant and innovative idea regardless of what you think of plastic frames. They also make producing a gun that performs well much cheaper. Think about it, poor plastic into a mold and a few seconds later there it is a finished frame. No heat treating, no machining, no polishing, and so on.

    Good luck on your goal. I think this particular goal has some flaws, but the important thing is that you have a goal. That puts you ahead of the vast majority of people out there! Good luck if you do decide to pursue this goal anyway (you never know it could work?). And if it doesn't, you can take everything you learn from this project and use it to come up with something else?:)
     
  18. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    How old are you? No offense, but this sounds like an idea a little kid would have. There is no way you could make a SxS shotgun of any quality at all for the price you want to sell it.
    cottontop
     
  19. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Holy Crap! The poor guy's taking a beating! Tell you what, I'll commit to buying the 1st 4 Gatling guns you make. Does anyone feel like building some motors?

    Tluker, that piece of Walnut should run you about $30.
     
  20. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Depends on where you get it and the quality of the wood. Gun makers are in a competition with furniture makers over quality walnut, and furniture makers tend to win because they will make more money off of that piece of walnut then a gun maker would, so they are willing to spend more for it.
    That's why most guns are either made with laminated, plastic, or plainer walnut/another type of wood. If you look at the walnut stock of a gun made 30-50 years ago, and then look at what the stocks look like on a gun made by the same brand today, there is a HUGE difference.

    You wouldn't think something that literally grows on a tree (well, is a tree) would be that expensive, but it is. :(