Gun makers innovation.

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by hipoint380, May 18, 2014.

  1. hipoint380

    hipoint380 New Member

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    I'm liking all the budget guns that are comming to the market.

    Sccy 9mm 299. Msrp. Ect.

    The new AR with out pistol grip.

    POST YOUR BUDGET FIREARMS & NEW "COMPLYANT" MODLES.
     
  2. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    Just like every other product evolution, when its all been done before all you can do is super-size, shrink it and mass produce it. Firearms have been around so very long that big improvements are truly few and far between.

    What has changed bigtime is the tools available to create and duplicate. Some of them can turn a computer weeny into a gunsmith without a day as an apprentice!

    Another new phenom is Gun Fashion, recreate the same piece with different packaging and you just created a boom market (ha, ha, see what I did there?). Nobody but rich folks in the 1800's would have bought a new shotgun just because it had different paint or labels on it. They only replaced that which was no longer serviceable or repairable.

    Hell, even our government is becoming big players in the firearms manufacturing industry. They alone have been responsible for millions of new shooters and backlogs in availability that havent happened since WW2!

    The addition of Demilitarizing weapons to comply with bogus laws has sparked a whole new boom for manufacturers (See, I did that again, Ha)! Imagine telling Colt or Browning that they could make a mint by softening the look of their military looking pieces even if they still threw lead (or steel) that was as deadly as their harsh looking poppers? They would have told you your stupid, who would pay more for a less functional piece? That Pistol Grip, mounting lug and Suppressor are there for a reason that serves the owner better than a piece without them!!!!!

    Cheaper knockoffs and low profile life takers are hot right now but I gotta say, they likely wont stand the test of time the way my ancient steel and wood mechanisms have. Just like the automotive industry, there will be very few that are worthy of a spot in a museum in 100 years. Whats next? My guess is disposable guns just like the computers and flatscreens we buy at 10% of the cost they were 15 years ago. How much you gonna pay to fix a 45 that cost you $45? Not much I would guess, toss it out and buy one of the new safe act compliant orange ones that are all the rage!
     
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  3. hipoint380

    hipoint380 New Member

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    I think budget guns are like hondas. Keep them well maintained and they will last forever.

    Anti-gunners try to ban a rifle that has been sold millions of times with enough parts to make / fix them for generations.

    Stopping crime is impossible. Arming citizens with good training is the most logical.

    But then again even tho its the most effective. Law makers want to not do what right. They just want to use that as ammo to say ban that because of this.

    No one messes with me because I'm well trained and armed. Even tho the occasional junky or bumb will try something.

    If you want a life saving tool buy a eco gun. Of you want a gun to last 100 plus years get a surplus one
     
  4. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I think that's barkin' up the wrong tree...How are cheap knockoffs good, and guns missing parts they really should have innovative?

    I think they should continue to put pistol grips on the AR's and if a state doesn't like it, refuse to ship to that state, PERIOD. LE included.
     
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  5. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    There has been a single place for cheap guns and that was during WW2. Free guns to liberate Europe dropped out of planes and piped through the underground resistance fighters. The best you could hope for was to have a few of them for a NY Reload and they were about as inaccurate as a derringer. The derringer was a quality piece compared to the Liberator!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator

    They werent made to repair, couldnt take them apart and you were lucky to fire the rounds that came with them before it failed. They cost $2.40 a piece and are worth $1500 today (wish I had a truckload of them).

    I agree with you, when it comes to firearms, make and sell a good quality reliable product or sell none. Peoples lives depend on them. Click is not the sound you want to hear when a Griz or a Thug are knocking on your doorstep!
     
  6. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Nope.:) And I also would not want a gun that weighs 4 pounds dragging down my pants, or one that has sharp plastic edges, rubbing my side raw...

    So the Liberator cost $2.40 ea. in the 40's? Wasn't that a fair amount of money just for a one-time-use-throw-out-of-a-plane-gun?
     
  7. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    No doubt, quality is more than appearance and can really effect the usability of any product even if its its cheap enough to replace if it sucks.

    $2.40 wasnt cheap at that but a brand new Derringer in the 1800's would cost that much or more and last a lifetime, many were very ornate and functional. The Liberator was neither, it was a 90% stamped steel and riveted piece. The only quality steel was in the very short chamber/ barrel and that was still low quality. Most of them were destroyed by our own government and never got to the resistance but they are out there, just wall hangers for sure!
     
  8. p35bhp55

    p35bhp55 New Member

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    I've read a number of posts making statements like Hi Points are about as good a Glocks etc. It just ain't so. If you can only get your hands on that grade of gun and can shoot it...and it will actually shoot then it's better than nothing. There used to be a much wider selection of weapons between the top and the bottom of the price range but they have been gone for decades. It's a tough market for buyers, even lesser names are selling high.
     
  9. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Holy Crap, someone wrote that? In public?
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well actually, the Hi-Point is almost as good as the Glock as far as function.

    but i would never carry a Hi-Point simply because it's top heavy and makes for a poor carrying gun, while a Glock is made to carry.

    i hope the OP understands that there is a huge difference between cheap and inexpensive.

    cheap means just that, cheap and usually of poor quality and full of potential problems an very seldom is going to last for a long period of time.

    inexpensive means quality without a high price tag. well made but not priced to the point that the average person can't afford it.

    i'll buy an inexpensive firearm, but i won't under any circustances buy a cheap firearm.
     
  11. DrFootball

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    Also, some of the "Mid -Level/Cost" guns are being discounted a bit. My LC9 was $400 2 years ago, and Listed for. $450. Now you can get them as low as. $329. The Entire SR line from Ruger is 12-20% less then at first release. Only Kel-Tec's for some strange reason, are selling well above MSRP.


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  12. p35bhp55

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    Well, I guess there is a similarity between Hi Points and Glocks....The 380 Hi Point I shot kicked almost the same as my Glock 20 loaded with silvertips. :eek:
     
  13. p35bhp55

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    Seriously folks, my last four former handguns were all Tauri. None were junk but all three autos had problems getting good mags, the other a Rossi by Taurus was almost new so there were no issues with it. There was also not a good selection of quality concealment holsters. I finally ended up with 2 Glocks and mommas Springfield XDsc as our modern carry guns. No matter if I like the looks or really think they are worth the money, having a wide source of supply for mags and parts and designs that have been used hard in a variety of roles make them an obvious choice. None of them make me as happy as my P35 but there won't be any ugly *** light mounted to either of those so Glock I am..:p
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i wonder if there is a mall in search of their ninja somewhere?
     
  15. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Yeah, I have owned a Hi Point. It worked OK. I have never owned a Glock, but I would never call those 2 equal.
     
  16. John_Deer

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    I own both Glocks and Hi Points. I carry a Glock because it is a 15 shot gun with a 4" barrel you can pocket carry. Hi Points make good truck guns or a night stand gun. To someone with a limited income the Hi Point can be a Godsend. Not everyone can afford $600 for a pocket toy.
     
  17. p35bhp55

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    I just sold a Rossi by Taurus 38 snub in stainless for 200.00 It was like new. There are decent guns at decent prices you just have to ask folks and be willing to look.
     
  18. p35bhp55

    p35bhp55 New Member

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    I know what a Hi Point is....know what a Glock is....what's a mall?
     
  19. John_Deer

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    You couldn't give a Rossi revolver to me. I can't stand the lock up on a Rossi. You can't tell if a Rossi has a problem because it sounds like it is broke before you ever fire it.
     
  20. p35bhp55

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    You and I have vastly different results in our guns. In another thread you stated that Lone Wolf kits screwed the balance on Glocks, I have a Lone Wolf barrel for my 20 (no kit) and no one here can tell any change except the recoil and the price of ammo. As far as my Rossi it was smoother DA than the Colt that I still have possibly because of the six holes in the Colt cylinder. If you enjoy your Hi Points that's great but I hated shooting them, women usually can't pull the slide back and if the right grip panel gets loose they won't fire.