Gun Buy Backs

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by partdeux, May 16, 2018.

  1. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Ferndale MI is having one this weekend. They are offering (IRC) $50 (check), and this is NOT a no questions asked buy back.

    Looks like a fairly large group of 2A citizens are turning out to compete against the police dept and make larger offers of CASH to purchase the firearms. They are always interesting, and the police will huff and puff, and in the end not do a thing.

    I'd love to make one of these events, but they always seem to occur on weekends we already have stuff scheduled for.

    Side note, I wonder if the police have a financial fiduciary responsibility to sell the firearms on the open market? After all, they are using taxpayer money to collect assets, those assets can't be just disposed of :)
     
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  3. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    People that generally show up for the cash are widows that don't realize they have firearms of value, nor know how to dispose of them. I saw in a pile of firearms turned into the police (not buyback), a brand spanking new in the box python. It was heading for destruction... or supposed to anyway. I shed a tear over the possibility of the world losing that beautiful firearm.
     
  4. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    From my cold DEAD hands !..........
     
  5. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There was a rumor a year or so ago about a buyback in Central Florida, but allegedly the threat of us private citizens stepping up caused the buyback to be cancelled. Now since Orange County has ended private sales without a background check (until at least a court case) I would not be surprised to see one happen.
     
  6. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    State preemption is the only way to go.

    Then you only have one group of politicians to kick out if they go sideways.
     
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  7. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Who would of thought Giffords anti gun page could be so useful

    http://lawcenter.giffords.org/local-authority-to-regulate-firearms-in-florida/

    Preemption with Teeth.

    Are you a member of one of the state's firearms organization and donating to their legal defense fund? This is how these idiots get slapped down.
     
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  8. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They certainly can destroy weapons bought to get them off the streets, without violating any laws. They figure they sre saving money in the long run.
     
  9. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    It's a pretty safe bet that those weapons wound up with officers that wanted them or wanted to sell them.
     
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  10. AmPaTerry

    AmPaTerry Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    I wish they would have a buy back here.
    I have three old broken guns that are not worth repairing, and a good buy back would get me some more ammo for the ones that DO work!
     
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  11. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Some enterprising people have created "firearms" out of parts from home dept :)
     
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  12. AmPaTerry

    AmPaTerry Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    Son-of-a-gun -
    That is a neat idea!
    And here I thought that when I was able to BUY guns, I would not be doing this again - -
     
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  13. Minorcan

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    Yes they can, once the government has purchased them they own them. The real questions are;
    1.) How would you feel if the government bought new police cars and had them crushed to keep criminals from stealing them?
    2.) What about giving property tax money to Arab extremist so the local county won’t misappropriate it.
    3.) How many of the turned in guns have been used or will be used to commit a crime?
    4.) Have any studies been done to confirm that such buy backs actually reduce the crime rate?

    It goes against my 2A beliefs but it is just plain dumb and ineffective as so many of these ideas are.
     
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  14. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Do you protest when the local government pays the cost of programs to dispose of household hazardous waste? Those programs aren't free of cost to the taxpayer. We give our elected and appointed officials a lot of latitude to spend funds as they think benefit the community. Most of the first part of your argument is ridiculous, and you must know it.

    As to the second part, What does the right to keep and bear arms have to do with the issue? The owners are voluntarily disposing weapons they don't want or need. The second amendment doesn't require people to own firearms. The buyback gives some people an easy and legal way to get rid of the firearms they don't want in their homes. There could be many legitimate reasons for not wanting the guns in the house. There is no 2A issue and nothing sinister about gun buy back programs.

    Presenting passionate weak and unreasoned arguments, in public places, that you think favors the second amendment only makes all gun owners look like unthinking dolts. It doesn't help our cause.
     
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  15. Minorcan

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    Your first question is easy. The government is not paying to buy my garbage so they aren’t wasting my tax dollars. Just the opposite is happening, I am paying them a fee via taxes to dispose of the garbage as a public service like teaching our kids. If properly managed then the government even has the opportunity to make money from the recycle items in the garbage.

    Your second question has a flaw in that I pay taxes to provide services like garbage disposal, education, enforce existing laws, etc. I do not pay taxes to have the government use those taxes to subvert my rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The second part of your second question is not a valid point. Other citizens bought their gun, why should I be responsible for paying for them to get rid of a gun they bought and assumed responsibility for? They should be responsible and pay to get rid of the gun if they change their mind and no longer want it. Using your logic I should be responsible for getting rid of their junk cars in ther yards, their unused Crack.

    And your assumption that Gun Buy Backs do not have anything to do with 2A rights is dead wrong. It is an example of government overreach using tax funds to promote programs that deprive reduce gun ownership and control guns in a way that is contrary to the intent of the Second Ammendment.

    Your last point I assume is aimed at my earlier comments passionate and weak thus making gun owners, and I assume me, look like an “unthinking dolt”. I counter that supporting bad ideas like using taxes to conduct Gun Buy Backs is just another bad idea promoted by people that have not considered what they are doing and how it subverts personal rights and freedoms while not accomplishing the stated goal of reducing crime. I will admitted to being passionate about such matters.

    It’s also interesting that in not one case have you or anyone else that supports Gun Buy Back Programs shown any evidence that they in fact reduce crimes.

    In closing I find it very irritating that you feel it’s OK for you call people with different beliefs that you names like “unthinking dolts”. I didn’t call you any names and would expect that the Moderators would do something to curb this tendency you seem to have.
     
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  16. Sniper03

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    $50.00 That is a travesty when they could probably take them to their local gun shops or call a friend who would definitely give them more than $50.00. Unless as mentioned the gun was junk. But even junk guns can have value by rare parts salvaged from them for sale. Or probably a lot of them need some drug money or dumping a stolen gun or one used in a crime. What a great opportunity for a criminal or an addict! Of course, their gun their choice!

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  17. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Tell me just how the government buying guns from willing sellers affects your rights. It offends your sensibilities, but not your rights. It bothers me when the local police buy, operate and maintain armored personnel carriers but I don't claim that it violates my rights. With a willing buyer, willing seller, there is no harm, no foul. By your line of reasoning, when the law confiscates drugs on the street, they should then sell them back on the streets to save your tax dollars. It would make for good fiscal sense but horrible policing.

    If I buy a gun and demill it, do you think that deprives you of your rights to gun ownership?

    If I buy a hundred guns from a hundred willing sellers and drop them into the ocean, it is absolutely none of your business, and it does not violate your rights or deprive you from gun ownership. Remember that it is not only your tax dollars at work, and if the citizenry objects strongly enough the practice would stop. Apparently enough people approve to continue the buy backs programs.

    To maintain that gun buybacks are a violation of the second amendment, as a legal principal, is ridiculous. (does that sound better than doltish?)

    I am called personally called, and on a frequent basis, communist, socialist, snowflake, libratard and worse. It does not affect either my sensibilities or that of the moderators. I make a comment about my opinion of a group of people sounding like Gomer Pyle, shouting "Citizens Arrest, Citizens Arrest" (substitute second amendment) and it hurts your feelings? Grow up.
     
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  18. Minorcan

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    Chainfire, in your first paragraph you are confusing what you do with your money and what the government is doing with tax money of which I am paying. I don’t want my tax dollars to go to buying material that will not benefit me or my community. I pay taxes for services, not have my tax money wasted on some pet project that is not specified for what the tax money is to go for. In my county as in most it is clearly defined what the money is supposed to go to before the tax was established or why the taxes were increased.

    In your second and third paragraph I agree with you that you can do what you want with your personal money. It’s none of my business. I may think you are throwing your money away, etc but that’s your decision. It’s not my tax dollars so I don’t care.

    Your fourth paragraph is where we differ. If my tax dollars, which were designated to go to public maintenance works and education are being wasted on Gun Buy Backs I have a problem with that because they are using my tax dollars in a wasteful way that is in conflict with what the purpose of the taxes were when the community voted for the tax. This is like going to a garage to get your car fixed and the mechanics using your deposit to buy beer with instead of parts. As far as the second amendment it affects it by establishing a president to misuse tax moneys for social programs that clearly speak against 2A rights.

    Lastly based on your philosophies and attitudes I can see why others may think you are a communist, socialist, snowflake, libtard, etc. I don’t want to call you any of those things and expect the same consideration from you. Your comment about “grow up” is not relevant. Grown ups don’t call people names, that is childish and if I’m not mistaken against the Forum rules. By the way, I’m 62 so well past grown up, I’m reasonably well educated with microbiology and chemistry degrees and scored in the top 5% on SAT tests so I may not be near as stupid or ignorant as you think.

    Lastly, if you feel as you do I wonder why you even bother to participate in this Forum unless it’s to stir up confrontations and undermine the general idea of enjoying guns and shooting sports without being harrassed or threatened with having my personal property taken away.

    This is my last reply to you on this thread.
     
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  19. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The last time I checked, we elect or hire people to decide how our tax money is spent. The School Board or the Police Department has never asked for my input on their projects. If I thought they were doing a lousy job, I would be at the public meetings raising the issue. If I thought that their actions were unethical, immoral or illegal, I would be talking to the state's attorney. I wouldn't be making untrue claims about the illegality of the issues on public forums. It plays well to the cheering section, but false claims do us more harm than good.

    You must have me confused with someone else about threatening to take your property.

    I participate on this forum because I am a passionate gun collector, trainer, and shooter. There are participants on this site that are highly intelligent, witty and are fun to dissect issues with. You don't learn anything unless you go outside your group. I have a problem when people make false claims and present silly arguments because presents us all in a bad light. People outside of the gun community read these forums and they use false claims and weak arguments against us. They present us as nuts and sometimes they are correct.
     
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  20. Daoust_Nat

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    When the local government picks up hazardous waste the cost to dispose it is negotiated between the waste management co and the county govt. if the county govt. comes out upside down they will raise taxes.

    Who would argue paragraph 2. I think we all just don’t like that a valuable or collectible gun is going to just be destroyed. If the owner chooses to give the firearm up for $50, oh well, it is theirs to do so.