Gun bill clears Senate hurdle as filibuster falls short

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  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    FYI!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/gun-bill-clears-senate-hurdle-as-filibuster-falls-short/

    Controversial gun legislation cleared a key Senate hurdle Thursday, as lawmakers voted 68-31 to start debate on the package which includes expanded background checks and new penalties for gun trafficking.

    Senate Democrats, joined by 16 Republicans, were able to overcome an attempted filibuster by GOP senators opposed to the current bill. Those senators could still slow-walk the debate, but the Senate will ultimately begin votes on amendments -- one of which is considered crucial to winning support for a final vote.
     
  2. John_Deer

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    Hopefully, anything passed in the Senate will get shut down in the house. I can't believe that 16 republicans voted to continue the madness.
     

  3. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Voting Stats

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...fm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00095#position

    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---68


    Alexander (R-TN)
    Ayotte (R-NH)

    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Blumenthal (D-CT)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cowan (D-MA)
    Donnelly (D-IN)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Flake (R-AZ)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Heinrich (D-NM)
    Heitkamp (D-ND)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hirono (D-HI)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Isakson (R-GA)

    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kaine (D-VA)
    King (I-ME)
    Kirk (R-IL)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murphy (D-CT)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schatz (D-HI)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Udall (D-CO)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    NAYs ---31

    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Begich (D-AK)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lee (R-UT)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Now, let's see what amendments get approved.
     
  5. alsaqr

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    Many thanks to the two Democrat senators who defied Dear Leader and voted no.
     
  6. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Is there anyway to Sticky this in all the state forums for voting purposes?

    I emailed to let Wicker know I would be voting against him next year. I did not mention the Bear issue.
     
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  7. agmoose

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    The RINO's that caved were expected to for the most part - McCain, Grahamnesty, etc. There are a couple though that I was surprised by. I have no faith in this getting defeated in the Senate though - it will have to happen in the House.
     
  8. Rocky7

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    That's too bad. An epic filibuster would have given people time to think and time for opposition to get more organized, more vocal.

    Gun controllers understand that time is their enemy. People eventually see through their shallow sound bites.
     
  9. boatme98

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    Dang, both my R Sens. (Tn.) are in bed with Frankinstein! :mad:
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Look it this way. It will not pass the Senate. That's a given. So we haven't lost anything.

    But the democRATS will not be able to demagogue a filibuster

    I WANT A RECORDED VOTE ON THE BILL!

    Let;m make all 100 of them choose sides. November of next year we'll find out how a yes vote works for them.:p
     
  11. Tackleberry1

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    and here they are...

    New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte
    Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss
    Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn
    Maine Sen. Susan Collins
    Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake
    Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson
    Arizona Sen. John McCain
    Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker
    North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr
    North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven
    Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk
    South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham
    Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander
    Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker
    Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey
    Nevada Sen. Dean Heller
    The following is a list of Democratic lawmakers who voted against advancing gun legislation:
    Alaska Sen. Mark Begich
    Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor

    I really think the forum should let these turncoats know how we feel.

    Tack
     
  12. Warrior1256

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    Both of my senators were on the side of the angels (ours). There is still a slim hope that it will be voted down in the senate. If not, then we start working on the representatives.
     
  13. mseric

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    Maybe, Maybe Not.

    Read this first then decide.


    Let’s assume that enough Republicans refuse to sign on to the filibuster effort being led by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.). (At the moment, at least eight Republican Senators are on the record saying they will vote for cloture.) That means that if Reid can keep all 55 Democratic-caucusing Senators in line, he should have more than the 60 votes he would need to end unlimited debate — bringing the bill to the floor and allowing amendments to it to be offered before a final vote on passage.

    “Republicans are eager to get into an open amendment process so that they can turn a responsible gun control bill into a round of NRA-backed amendments that only need 51 votes to approve,” warned one senior Democratic operative granted anonymity to speak candidly about strategy matters. “This could be a nightmare for Democrats that care about these issues.”

    So, yes, the bipartisan deal on background checks, which is expected to be the first amendment offered to the overall gun bill, is a victory for those who want stricter gun laws. But, the amendment process has the potential to turn into something far different than gun control advocates imagine — and something that would almost certainly doom the legislation.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ebrating-they-might-want-to-hold-off/?hpid=z2
     
  14. JonM

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    At least you know how to vote in the next primary and who not to vote for in the next election.
     
  15. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    This is a nice blog write-up on the amendment or possible language into the bill S. 649.

    They push this forward, it is re-election for both Manchin (D) WV and Toomey (R) PA. Go back to 1994 when the first passed the AWB and in 1996 they got voted out!

    Senate Fine Print: 5 guns per year, all sales through FFLs, perpetual records

    http://weaponsman.com/?p=8100

    Update

    Toomey’s spin on the legislation is up on his website http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=965, but he’s holding the actual language close to his vest. He doesn’t mention the 5-gun limit that PoliticoOne peculiar thing is that veterans can contest an erroneous placement on the prohibited persons list, but apparently no one else can. It’s probably a good idea for vets to have this, given the generalized incompetence of Shinseki’s VA, and the desires of some to characterize PTSD treatment as lifetime disqualifying, but why shouldn’t all citizens have the same deal? We didn’t go to war just for our rights, you know, but for your rights too.

    There’s also a completely useless “National Commission on Mass Violence” with “expert members” nominated, by, what else, career politicians. Sure, that’ll solve everything. Maybe Toomey’s thinking he can get appointed if he gets defeated next year when the PA gun owners he just back-stabbed stay home.

    Update II

    We’ve gotten hold of the language (Toomey has posted it) and will be reviewing it. At a glance, it’s a step towards northeastern restrictive gun laws (like those under which his Pennsylvanians already labor) for all. It’s a bad bill and he’s a Judas for generating it; it’s not as bad as it could have been but it’s much worse than we’d have had without his betrayal.
     
  16. Bigcountry02

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  17. Warrior1256

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    I guess I didn't understand that the pro-gun senators could add amendments the same as the antis. This could have been the plan of some of the conservatives to begin with. Hope this is true. We will just have to wait and see.
     
  18. orangello

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    Senator Wickers response to my "gonna vote your arse out!" email indicated that his tactic was to get it into debate and amend it heavily.

    He better hope it works, or he will go on the "bear" list.