Thanks. I thinking of getting a SS guide rod and spring. It is my carry gun and I use 124 sxt +P+. I also us ball ammo on the range. What is you opinion on rod and spring?
Well, the first thing I would throw out there is I don't know of ANY production gun that is rated to handle +P+; that is above SAAMI pressures and would seem to be a liability nightmare for any company. Very few gun makers will state in their writing that they will handle +P. I know H & K does on their USP line, bone stock. I know that Kimber does, because I have owned several, but recommends an upgrade to the recoil spring. I know that Nighthawk does, but also recommends an upgrade to the recoil spring. Glock, I'll be the first to admit, I know next to nothing about, but I just read almost the entire Glock 17 Owner's Manual and there is nothing in there stating they are rated for +P ammo. Whether the weapon has been shooting it fine or not, you might want to find out from the Glock folks if the weapon was designed to safely fire the hotter cartridges.... I called them, because I was curious myself, but their offices are closed and there is no after hours help. JD
The owner's manual for my German H&K USP clearly stated that using +P or +P+ was dangerous and voided any warranties.
Really? What year? Mine says that it's rated for +P. I still have the damn thing, though I never shoot it. I will double check it tonight, but I made sure before I even bought it because I wanted another weapon that was +P rated and I was in fanboy LOVE with the USP Tactical....
It may have been. I ditched it almost 10 years ago, so my memory may be a little fuzzy. It was used when I bought it and I had it for several years before tossing it in favor of the Kimber. I just remember that inside the cover of the manual, there was a big red warning that said not to fire anything outside of SAAMI specs.
I haven't used the lightning strike guide rods but I do have this one in my G19 and I love it. http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=4851
Well, here's the official Page 21 Note from my USP Tactical that I bought new in 2003 In Compliance with NIJ - Standard - 0112.00 *blah, blah,blah* ALL USP Pistols are approved for use with +P and +P+ ammuntion. The use of +P and +P+ ammunition does accelerate wear and reduce the service life on the compartment parts of any pistol including all models of the HK USP. Under the specifics for the USP Tactical, it says that +P can be used with both the KAC and Brugger & Thomet cans without damage, but does note that both cans work best with Subsonic Ammunition. *D'uh* So I guess we both be corrected on this one brother.... JD
Like I said, it's been years since I last saw that manual. Maybe the barrels were built to different specs, maybe I'm going senile. I'm more inclined to believe the latter more than the former.
Its worth the money IMO. Good luck and let me know what you decide. I just ordered another one for my Glock20.
All this talk of hot loads has got me nervos ! darn-it !!I just bought some Hornady .45 230 gr.JHP/WTP + P for my G 36 .I've never shot anything other than Winchester White box 230 gr. out of it before , so what up ?? Can I shoot them or not ??
Thanks a ton ,I'm going to the range tommorow and that puts me at ease. Can't wait !! Oh yeah , Happy turkey day !!
I know a few PD's that use +P+ ammo and I used to reserve for one of them. As far as I know they have had no problems.
Not to claim laziness here, but if anyone has a source for limitations by manufacturer and model, it could save someone some hurt. I carry 147gr +p JHP in the XD 9, but I can't provide any documentation stating that it isn't going to earn me an orange-tipped cane and a seeing-eye dog. At the range it's always 115 gr FMJ.
^ I have to agree. Just because you do it, doesn't mean that it's okay by the manufucturer. I posted the three that I know to be fact, and the sources. I couldn't find anything on the Glock website, or the manual, for the safe and authorized use of +P or +P+ from the manufacturer themselves. A source would be handy for a lot of people. JD
