Groups at 50ft

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by sweeper22, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    I'm curious what type of groups some of you more seasoned shooters manage to keep at 15-20yds with centerfire handguns. I'd like to know what a more experienced shooter typically expects of themselves.

    I'm pretty new to shooting (1 yr) and brand new to indoor range shooting. I had my first indoor range session this evening with the lanes set at 50ft, and shooting at an "official" 20yd NRA slow fire pistol target (10.5"x12" paper, 9" target, 3.75" inner target)...sorry, the digicam is on the fritz.

    Here's where I'm at, don't laugh too hard...

    CZ 75b 9mm: 100% on the paper, 90+% within the 9" circle, no further significant grouping.
    XDM 45acp: not quite 100% on paper, about 80% within 9" circle, no further significant grouping.

    So I guess at this range I'll have to claim bowling ball sized groups. Plinking at 4-6" targets at similar ranges seems easy enough to me, but when I go for grouping my lack of discipline and fundamentals becomes pretty evident. I guess more trigger time is needed.
     
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  2. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    There are shooters here that are better than myself. But, I went to the range on Saturday afternoon. With my 1911 at about 15 yards i was able to put one big hole in the center of my ISPC silouette. I put nine rounds in it. I guess they were all touching each other. The hole was about 1 1/2 inches in diameter.
     

  3. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Nice. I'd be happy enough to work my way to softball sized groups. I'd say I'm only maybe 40% inside the black (3.75" center) at this point. I'm not sure why I find it more difficult to try and hit the same spot over and over again. Any idea why engaging 4-6" steel knockdowns at similar ranges would be so much easier for me?
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Range shooting is supposed to be fun. Over concentration is one of the reasons I don't group that well at times. I tense up, things shake, grouping goes to heck.
    Relaxing, working on basics, making it fun again seems to work for me.
     
  5. Flat4sti

    Flat4sti New Member

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    I am still pretty green when it comes to pistols. I have been shooting at our local outdoor range and the nearest is 15 yards. I Expect to put all my shots into a 8" shot n see. but i will every once in a while send one into lower left field. Every time i go i get better and better and feel more comfortable with the gun. At 25 yards I go with the 12" sticky and even then it is more like who hits it the most between me and my friends.
     
  6. NGIB

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    If I could see the target at 50 feet I'd probably do OK. I don't delude myself and keep all my pistol shooting 10-12 yards and in. At 25 feet I can cut the center out of a target without much trouble...
     
  7. pumpkinball

    pumpkinball New Member

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    The closest range around here is free thats why I go there. But its also an outdoor range and the shortest one is 50 yds. So at 150 ft I use a 12x12 plain jane target. My goal at that distance isn't to group my shots but to simply make a hole anywhere on the paper. If I can get 7/8 on the 12x12 at 50yds Im as happy as I can be. From time to time though I do move in closer if Im there and no other folks are on it. When I get the opportunity I take advantage of the situation. If I walk down to anything less than 15 yds I make sure I plant 100% within the smallest ring which is 3.5". At 25yds I have to have all shots in the next ring which is 5". If I can't do it, I keep on until I do it or I run out of ammo. This helps me be that much more prepared for the time that I hope never comes when I have to use it. Of course I also go to longer ranges with the long guns, but this is where I go with handguns. I personally feel like as long as I'm hitting the target pretty good at 50yds, then I shouldn't have any trouble with a self defence situation, which is almost always within 21ft. But I'm no competition shooter either, Im sure a pro would make me look like a real ammeture. Just keep practicing no matter how you do it. Good luck.
     
  8. freefall

    freefall New Member

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    If you want to shoot small groups, it's my belief that you should shoot at the smallest target you can see at the range you want to shoot at. Aim small, miss small. (If I'm not perverting the expression.)
    I realize that for self-defense type shooting you need to practice close and quick. But my most common use for a pistol is spruce grouse, and their heads are small.
     
  9. gatopardo

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    3"-5"group

    If I really mean it 3-5" it's OK, I space my delivery, manage my breathing ( pull the trigger when I'm exhaling), count in my head, reacquire target often ( lower your gun slightly, count one, raise your gun to acquire target, count two, put finger on trigger, count three, fire)
    For me to keep my mind busy with the task, and avoid any flinching is one and the same:cool:
     
  10. RTMiller

    RTMiller New Member

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    That is some pretty good shooting IMO. I can't do that at 15 yards (yet).

    8 yards. At 8 yards I can "make them all touch each other"

    50 yards! You're hunting now.
     
  11. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    My 1911 is the only gun I have that I can do that with. But it is also the gun I shoot the most. I practice slow fire as well as quick. The group we are talking about is obviously slow fire. If I fire at 15 yards there will be a hole exactly where my sights say it will be. I also use this gun for competition. Mesa County Swat sets up our competitions. They will often set up a stage requiring a head shot at 10-15 yards. They are often hostage situations. I have never hit a hostage. In the pictures below I am the one in the green shirt shooting. The white targets are hostages. In the picture where I am shooting the target has a black body. That means it is hard cover. It is as if he was standing behind something. The only possible shot is a head shot. I am not leaning on the baracade. We were not allowed to.
     

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  12. gadrooning

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    First off you are doing a good job as new shooter. Most beginners can't hit the broad side of a barn with a 45. 9 inch groupings at 50 ft. really isn't bad. The cz and the xdm are capable of tighter groups at 50ft., but I wouldn't expect 2" or even 3" groups at 50 ft. Many self defense gun sights are fixed and set for floating the sights. This really makes precise, repetitive shots very difficult. Try an adjustable sight. For all its intents and purpose your guns are self defense weapon. If you are looking for tighter groups pick a gun that can truly out shoot you, say a target 22 like a ruger mark series or start with a good 1911 if your pocket permits. This will help eliminate some variables. In the meantime practice, practice, practice. You also may want to experiment with smaller or larger bullseyes, as some people can focus better on one or the other.
     
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  13. JonathanGlass

    JonathanGlass New Member

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    although it's not center fire, with my friends .22 pistol I could keep 1-2'' groups at 25-30 yds
     
  14. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    ^THIS is the reason I wish I could practice! tensing up, shaking, general adrenal-inspired mayhem sounds exactly what happens to me, lol. Part & parcel of competition until you get used to it I suppose (but sometimes I question if that will ever happen. Being able to practice in a calmer state of mind would help a lot I'm sure)



    Well this (inadvertantly!) answers a few questions I have about sights. So this is why adjustable sights are advised...as pistol sights are commonly set to a defensive distance out of the box? OK I'm getting it now...I was told we must sight in for 25m. Makes sense.
     
  15. Morgo

    Morgo New Member

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    50ft is a bit close compared to what I normally shoot when target shooting.

    This was an old target I shot awhile back while trying a new load.

    Distance was 25 yards so I guess 80ft.

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    Done two handed standing using a .38 Super 1911. I've since worked out the load to get rid of the vertical spread.

    Most of my target guns will shoot 1 inch 5 shot groups standing at 25 yards with reloads.