Grouping shots

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by NvRbanArms, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Okay I been shooting for about 6 months now. Semi autos and revolvers. Now I am in need of some help. I cannot group shots for the life of me. The range I go to I put the target out probably about 40-50 feet only because they don't allow closer. Have to stay in the light. Sux. But when I shoot I will hit the silhouette body but NONE of my shots will stay within a grouping center. It seems like I concentrate on aiming and it's going to go there but they never do. Maybe 2 shots will be close then all the others just go wherever they want. I want to be able to group tight at about 20-25 yards like everyone else. My guns I shoot feel great in my hands to so I don't know the problem. I am also holding the gun right too and using the pad of the last digit on my trigger finger and not holding grip hard with pinky so i dont pull down. I just don't get it. Driving me crazy. Some help and tips here would be much appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    First try to have someone knowledgeable look at your grip and stance. It may seem fine to you but it is likely to be at least some of your problem. Do you practice dry firing? A big, big help. Did I mention dry firing? Bring a friend with and have him load the gun but sometimes give you an empty chamber to check your reaction without the bang. There are many many tricks to help. Look at Shooting USA Shooting Sports Television for shooting tips. Or google shooting tips to get alot of info.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Do you pull the trigger or slowly squeeze? It makes a huge difference. If I am doing real acurate shooting I squeeze the trigger so slowly that I am almost surprised when it goes off.
     
  4. NvRbanArms

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    Thanks hiwall. I will have a friend do that just to see. Sounds like a good trick. And to Rick. I really can't distinguish between pulling and squeezing ( I know sounds dumb). When I aim I stare at the front site with my right eye and when I pull the trigger only my first two digits move. And I try to keep any of my finger from rubbing the trigger and guard. I want to get one of those laser training targets but don't want to spend 300 dollars on something that I don't know will even work. I think I'd rather just spend the money on the 22 lr kit for my beretta m9. That way I can shoot long times without breaking the bank.
     
  5. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps I should have said jerk the trigger. I simply meant to slowly squeeze instead of quickly jerking on it.
     
  6. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    +1 to hiwall and Rick...dryfire and trigger control are essential. You said you're not allowed to shoot closer than 50 ft at your range? Find a new place to shoot. Self defense handgunning is done much, MUCH closer than that, 21 ft and in. Get good at close shots first...practice...satety :cool:
     
  7. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    @rick. I do jerk if that's pulling fast. But when I squeeze slowly it seems like it just makes me shake my hand too much. I'll have to work on that.
     
  8. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Not shake, but sway.
     
  9. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    That is something you will need to work on. Trigger control is very important. Maybe the most important part of accurate shppting. Are you shooting a double action or single action? Dry firing will help. Check to make sure your gun is empty. Then check it again. Then a third time just for good measure. Pick a spot on the wall in your house. Maybe a picture or a poster. It needs to be a very small spot. Practice squeezing the trigger while you look down the sights. Keep the sights aligned until it goes click. Just keep doing it over and over again.

    Do not dry fire a 22. You can damage the chamber.
     
  10. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Thanks man. Appreciate the help.
     
  11. 007BondJamesBond007

    007BondJamesBond007 New Member

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    Try balancing a spent 45acp brass on top of the frame near the rear site. Make sure gun is empty and load a snap cap it will protect the firing pin. Practice dry firing and not let the brass fall. Also if the gun has a laser shine it against the target on the wall and have someone watch to see if the laser moves and in what direction.
     
  12. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Never thought of that. Thanks. Now I'm looking into new sights also. Just do t know if I want to go down that road yet.
     
  13. utf59

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    Lots of good advice on dry firing. Personally, I prefer to put the spent brass closer to the muzzle rather than near the rear sight — it's more challenging. If the top surface is round (no rib on a revolver, not a flat slide top) you can use a coin (or washer) instead of brass, which will also allow you to look down your sights.

    You might also try bench firing. Pull up a chair to your firing table and support your hands on the table. If you have something you can put under the barrel and/or the whole gun, use it. The idea is to relieve you of the weight of the gun. It'll minimize the effects that you have on the gun. If you can take yourself out of the equation, you should start getting groups. You might also get a feel for what you've been doing to throw your rounds off.

    If you like the idea of a laser trainer, look at LaserLyte. They make several types, including one that fits in the chamber. You can find the cartridge type for less than $100. The target that registers the laser costs a lot more, but you can just use a wall, especially if you have a friend spotting for you.

    If your first couple of shots are good and your shots start wandering after that, you've probably developed one or more bad habits, such as flinching or squeezing your grip while firing. Someone mentioned having a friend load your magazine with a randomly placed snap cap or an empty chamber in your revolver. This will show you if you're flinching. I'd start with that. If you don't have someone to do that for you, you can sometimes get the result by dry firing immediately after shooting a string of live ammo. For instance, shoot all six rounds from your revolver, then "fire" it once more without a break and without changing anything. There isn't as much surprise, but the flinch will still show up oftentimes.

    You mentioned moving only two digits while squeezing the trigger. The only thing that should move is your trigger finger.

    You can find pictures online that will help you diagnose other problems based on your shot placement. Hopefully I just attached one to this post. If that didn't work, you can search the Internet for them.
     

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  14. Glockpotion23

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    Yea, 50 feet is insane. My range is probably half of that if i am lucky.
     
  15. Vincine

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    I’ve only shot single shot target, right handed, arm’s length, and that was a long time ago, so I don’t know if this has any bearing on self-defense shooting:

    What does your hand look like when you fire your ‘gun’, only without the gun in your hand? Try and keep all your fingers relaxed and slightly open as if it had a gun in it, except for your trigger finger which you will be moving. Watch your thumb and the ends of the other three fingers. Do they twitch? Look at the back of your hand. Can you detect subtle movements in the tendons of the other fingers? Basically check to see that the only movement is your trigger finger. What you’re looking for is whether you can really operate your index finger independently of the others. When you hold a gun, the pressure of your grip masks how interrelated they are and it’s hard to tell the degree of independent index finger control you may have.
     
  16. rigjumpr

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    I don't know if you have seen this or not it's been floating around for some time now but, take a look it may help in some way.

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  17. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    another thing, you have said that you do try trigger control try , add taking up the slack, sqeeeeeeeeez once you get the trigger break and bang, hold the trigger and release slowly until you feel the "click" of the trigger reset the stop, start the next shop from there.