Good home defense load

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by johnbrowning, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. johnbrowning

    johnbrowning New Member

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    My understanding is not to have a great deal of penetration in a bullet. That bullets should enter bad guys and make a big hole and a bigger cavity in his gut. Sooo my question is if I shoot blue meanies with my colt and have it loaded with Sellier and Belloit 38 special wad cutters which have a tendency to keyhole would this be a superior home defense load? JMB
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I'm not familiar with those rounds. At a minimum I want hollow points for hd. Being in an apartment and knowing exactly how well a 9mm penetrates in this building I actually want to get frangible rounds for my new glock 20. Until then I actually picked up a. 25 for around the house. If that's any help
     

  3. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Nine .22 LR HP Stingers out of my H&R 922................
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There are thousands of old experienced detectives out there that still use wadcutters. Why? Because they work!:D
     
  5. johnbrowning

    johnbrowning New Member

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    home defence

    The fact that those particular rounds keyhole, is that good or bad?
     
  6. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    In combat or defensive shooting shot placement is three dimensional. One of those dimensions is getting the projectile deep enough to hit vital organs. I would not depend on any off the wall loads until I either saw some penetration testing from a reliable source or did my own.

    If you don't mind, let me make a suggestion. If you are comfortable with it call or visit your local cop shop and see what they carry. Explain your concerns and see what they say. If it's a larger department they probably have an approved ammo list for their officer's off duty weapons. Once you have the information choose an equal or slightly less potent round. It's not considered a smart thing to carry something much more potent than the LEO's in your area carry. Lawyers will rip you a new one over that.

    Another tip. You should plan your defense before you ever have a need for it. Try to figure out shooting positions that are least likely to affect others. An intruder isn't always going to cooperate, but making a plan now will help you adapt later.
     
  7. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    I hope that's a joke
     
  8. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    On soft tissue, its not a bad thing.
     
  9. mes227

    mes227 New Member

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    Key-holing reduces accuracy but can substantially increase stopping power by creating a much larger wound cavity. This was demonstrated by the early M-16s in Vietnam. The twist rate of 1:12 was too slow to give ballistic stability, so those early rifles had marginal mid-range accuracy but where incredibly effective at closer range. When the design was changed to a faster twist the M-16 became a much more accurate rifle but there was a noticeable decrease in one-shot stopping power.

    That said, not all wadcutters keyhole in all handguns. It depends on the caliber, bullet weight, load or velocity, barrel length and rifling twist rate. It's easy enough to test at the range, though. This will tell you if the round keyholes in flight, but not the performance at impact.

    But given the assortment of high performance, essentially guaranteed high-expansion SD ammo on the market I'd go that direction rather than leave the performance to the vagarities of a round that may - or may not - keyhole at the critical moment (and with the attacker's particular clothing).
     
  10. tomingreeneco

    tomingreeneco New Member

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    For HD I use a 12 gauge double barrel coach gun loaded with 00 buck shot.
     
  11. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    NO, That was not a joke...................
     
  12. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    I use 230 gr Speer Gold Dot in my .45's, 180 gr Gold Dot in my .40's, plus 00 in my 12 ga. From reviews I've read, the Gold Dot's are very good in terms of proper penetration and expansion.
     
  13. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    I used to load my HD guns with Glaser Safety Slugs, but since they are specifically for combat up close and personal, I switched to Speer Gold Dot. I have a big yard, and my house is big enough that the greatest straight-line path for a bullet inside is about 75 feet, and I'm not sure the Glasers won't start to tumble before that distance. They are only effective if they hit nose first. Does anybody have any experience with them or knowledge of what is the max range to expect them to be useful?
     
  14. genesis

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    Nothing wrong with a 22 Tom. In skilled hands, it will do the job just fine for 2 legged critters. I use wadcutters at around 750 FPS in my GP100 for home defense. I can empty my gun in just over a second. And all hits will be center mass. Power, or caliber, or fire power is no substitute for skill and presence of mind. Now if I'm out mountain biking in the Nicolet National forest in Northeast Wisconsin, my GP100 will be loaded with 357's as we have bears and wolves around here.

    Don <><
     
  15. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Yes, a .38 wadcutter is a devastating bullet. Wanna increase aerodynamics and penetration a tad, use a semi-wadcutter. It was the standard for generations before semi-autos. Inside the house that wadcutter is a keeper...
     
  16. USMC-03

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    I use either Winchester PDX1 or Rangers in my guns that I carry on duty and use for home defense. I have great confidence in these rounds. Before I went to them I used Hornady TAP, which is also great ammo.
     
  17. rhyno13

    rhyno13 New Member

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    I use either Speer or Hornady
     
  18. Jpfisher1989

    Jpfisher1989 New Member

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    I have a dumb question.
    What is a wadcutter round?
     
  19. rhyno13

    rhyno13 New Member

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    A wad cutter is a round that is flat topped and specifically designed for low velocity target shooting like paper targets.
     
  20. Jpfisher1989

    Jpfisher1989 New Member

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    Thanks Rhyno 13