good coyote gun

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by shnorse, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    I am i the market for a good coyote gun. I would like to have it semi auto, or at least pump with a 5 storage... something that i wont have to load bullets into as the coyote i just barely missed gets away with his friends.

    I am not to sure if i want a shot gun or a riffle, just something with enough fire power to drop a coyote with one shot, and not destroy it ( i.e. 12 gauge)

    What are some good sizes, and models i should look into, if it comes with a scope stock, even better.

    thanks
     

  2. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    i would just like to add:

    can i use the same gun on deer as i can on coyotees, or are they too different in size?

    i shot a friends mossberg 500 12 gauge with slugs last year, and it killed my sholder after 20 rounds.. i want something with minimal kick, and quiter the better.
     
  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    You have to be careful, and I am no expert on hunting laws as I don't hunt, so I would check the laws in your area before making a decision.

    On the surface, sure, you can use the same round for both animals, assuming you get a good cartridge. Shot placement is always crucial, whether you want a pelt, or putting food on the table.

    In the right hands, just about any cartridge can bring down reasonable size game.

    A .223, in the right hands, would be able to bring down both a coyote and small North American deer.

    JD
     
  4. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    how is the kick on a .223?

    i only weigh 120 lbs and im 5' 6".. i dont want too much recoil
     
  5. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    Recoil is dependant on a lot of things actually.

    The weight of the rifle is the first factor. Heavier rifles are harder to hump, but don't kick as much. Light rifles are easier to carry and kick more if all things are standard.

    The longer the barrel, the greater the weapon weight, but also the more pressure builds up as the round moves down range, leading to recoil. Longer barrels offer greater accuracy, so on a hunting rifle you would want a longer barrel than on a CQB style weapon.

    .223 has plenty of grain sizes in the caliber that can determine effective recoil. Heavier bullets require more powder to achieve the same velocity, so that will be felt as recoil.

    A muzzle break, if correctly built and installed, will successfully tame recoil, but it will greatly increase the sound levels felt by the shooter.

    A heavy duty recoil pad, correctly installed, can ease felt recoil quite easily. Most hunting rifles come with a basic recoil pad from the factory, but you can get replacements cheap and increase your comfort with the rifle.

    Some people, in the past, have added other recoil taming techniques, like adding a mercury vile in the stock. The theory is that the mercury sloshes one way on ignition, and then hits the end of the vile and tames the recoil before you feel it. Tactical rifles don't get them because you add another moving component that you don't want to compete with...

    We have a customer in the shop, who is a stick figure actually, but he shoots some of the more vicious hunting cartridges out there. We built him a .300 WSM that weighed in at just a little over 11.5 pounds, per his request and his components, that I am sure kicks like twin mules, but that is what he wanted. We put a Pachymer Decelerator pad on the stock, the thicker magnum version. We put a purpose built muzzle break that was longer than a normal rifle break to increase effectiveness. He bought a heavy bull style barrel, but we fluted it down to ease the weight. The weapon is a bit front heavy actually, without the scope in place, but seemed to balance out okay when all doctored up. This particular customer goes to Alaska at least once a year to hunt and has been to Africa on at least three occassions, so he hunts everything out there. It all comes down to what you can effectively shoot....

    JD
     
  6. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    are .223 rounds expensive to buy? normal bullets you can buy at a bass pro shops?
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    They are common rounds. Expensive is relevant I suppose.

    www.surplusammo.com

    That is a good place to buy ammo from in bulk. Their prices are pretty good all things considered.

    JD
     
  8. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    could you recomend a gun, semi auto, acurate, and easy to maintain...

    under around $300?
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    That price range is going to be a problem for you, and truthfully, the shop I do some apprentice work in doesn't deal in mass production guns, so we see very few at that end of the price range.

    You might be able to pick up a Yugoslav Ak variant. I have seen guys posting they got one still in the packing for around $300. The weapon shoots a 7.62 x 39mm bullet, which is good enough for stopping small game and human targets. The ammo can be had pretty cheap, and it's pretty common. Accuracy would be a drawback. Expect to have, probably, something in the neighborhood of 2 to 2.5 MOA out of the box, depending on shooter and conditions.

    It wouldn't be my first choice, but with that budget in mind, you could get a decent unit that will run well enough to make it work for you.

    You might be able to find a used shotgun, something in a 20ga or 12ga that could do damage up close, but you have to get close to a coyote to use it, and that is no small feat, plus you will ruin the pelt. It would fit the price range and do the job, but wouldn't be ideal unless you have some world class stalking skills. For defense and basic small game hunting, this would work well for you.

    When you try to get a cross breed rifle that can do multiple things, and do them well, you have to expect that the price tag is going to be a bit higher.

    Best of luck in the search...

    JD
     
  10. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

    3,865
    0
    0
  11. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    Agreed. That would be a great choice. However he has a $300 price range. Tikka will run about 5 bills and then he needs a scope if he is so inclined....

    JD
     
  12. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    i have a 22lr that i read on here i can use for coyotes as long as i get a decent shot at them... so i have my coyote gun... i thought it was too small, never thought of it...

    I am now it the market for something a bit bigger, something that wont kill my sholder, but will be fun to target shoot with... blow a tin can apart :)

    what is a good riffle that is cheap to shoot and acurate, and semi auto is nice also..

    we have a 12 gauge and a 20 gauge, but the 12 is too much kick for me to target shoot and enjoy...

    the 22 is nice, but i want something bigger...

    the 300.00 price range is the kicker.. anything a few steps up from a 22 and still at a 22's price range?
     
  13. BigO01

    BigO01 New Member

    578
    0
    0
    Never hunted "yotes" but had a friend who would on occasion with a cousin on his farm .

    He went the dual purpose route and hunted with a 25-06 for "yotes" and deer .

    For those that might remember Guns n Ammos Bob Milek he was both a renowned handgun and rifle hunter who wrote many stories that included his sons . He claimed one of them hunted Elk every year with a 25-06 and never lost one .

    You wont get one for $300 but you can get close with a Savage or Savage Stevens package Deal , I think I've seen them at Gunbroker New for around $350 including a Bushnell 3X9 scope .

    If I recall correctly Ralph said he used 120 grain bullets for deer and 100 grains for the Yotes .
     
  14. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

    3,865
    0
    0
    Used maybe? He could look around in the penny savers and pawn shops.

    Savages aren't bad. A buddy has one that groups pretty well.
     
  15. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

    1,144
    1
    38
    Semi-auto, step up from a 22, relatively cheap to shoot, accurate enough to
    "blow a tin can apart", and under $300?

    SKS
     
  16. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    23,972
    1
    0
    I'm gonna have to reluctantly agree. I just can't see him touching something with that kind of knock down power in his price range unless he comes across a screaming deal on a used weapon.

    Probably your best bet shnorse!

    JD
     
  17. BigO01

    BigO01 New Member

    578
    0
    0
    I just remembered he could get a Saiga semiauto 223 new for that or maybe a tad less .

    Stanley's Pro Shop lists them for $250 with a 16 inch barrel but they are out of stock at the moment .

    GunBroker prob has some listed close to it though .
     
  18. shnorse

    shnorse New Member

    133
    0
    0
    does any one from NY know if it is legal to get a larger then 10 round clip... they only sell with 10's... can i legally buy say a 30?

    i am looking for a long gun, im not to fond of the AK style.. just looks too militaristic to me, and i dont like that style.. I also plan to carry this one on my quad in a gun boot... so a shot gun style would be ideal...

    I can't believe i can get a 10/22 that seems to be loved by a lot of people in the low 200's... semi auto and all.. and as soon as you step up to the .223 calibers the prices sky rocket...

    any other calibers that have low kick, and a cheap price tag?
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2008
  19. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

    3,250
    0
    0
    During the Deer season in NY you cannot have more than a 5 round magazine in ANY gun. The Marlin .22 Mag clip fed bolt action is a fine gun for Coyote! Last I checked they were under $200 at WalMart.