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Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by Billdogge, Jul 19, 2010.
Any suggestions would help.
The only thing I can suggest is use the heaviest projectile you can find and don't shoot over 20 yards. IMHO you will lose too much energy after 20 yards to make an ethical kill.
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Agree with the heaviest load and I would suggest a minimum 6" barrel w/scope.
Try Double Tap ammo
The Double Tap 180 WFN hard cast round runs 1265 fps from my 4" S&W 686 groups tight and will completely penetrate a Whitetail deer from any angle. The wide flat .270" meplate does the tissue destruction in a long wound channel. This round also has the penetration needed for wild hogs as well.
This is a consistent performing hunting round.
I use 158gr JSP over W296 in my Model 19-4 w/ a 6"barrel. It is very accurate w/ iron sights and there is no need for a scope.
+1 on what Hunter Joe said.
Energy is easy to quantify but tissue destruction is final.
With my handloads of H110/296 (same powder) and Beartooth 185 grain WFNGC bullets makes it to 1250fps out of a 4" barrel. The meplat or flat measures .280" across, the same as the original Keith .44 SWC. While the .44 may penetrate more due to its greater mass, there is only so much penetration needed on a whitetail deer. No one accuses the .44 Keith 250gr. of being inadequate for deer. Since both bullets have the same meplat and both will penetrate completely through any deer, the question becomes, how dead is dead.
The meplat, expanded or built into the bullet + velocity at impact, in is what damages tissue in penetration. I put little stock in energy figures, particularly since Foot/Pounds was developed to compare steam engines to horse power!
In the dawning years of the 20th century, firearms marketing types latched onto ft/lbs as a way to make the new faster smokeless rounds seem far more powerful than their big bore black powder predecessors. This is not to disparage the trajectory advantage of modern smokeless rounds.
If a 180 grain lead flat nose bullet fired at 1250fps from a .38-40 Winchester '73 carbine could drop a whitetail at 50 yards, so can a .357 revolver firing the same weight of lead at the same velocity!
Funny right there! I use 160 and 205gr in .44-40 for whitetail. 160 for real short range, 200..205 for 100 yards. BTW, I use a 1892 Rifle. You do gain allot w/ a 24" barrel.
Any american ammo manufacturer.
at least a 158 grain bullet in .357 Mag. or larger.
Buffalo Bore makes a 180 grain 1,400fps round for 783 lbs of muzzle energy,if it were me that's what I would use.
I hope you are planning on running that .357 through a rifle, and that you are using a minimum of 158 gr and preferrably a 180 gr hard cast Keith SWC.
158gr or heavier and a bullet that is designed more for penetration then expansion. A 357 will more then take a deer here in NC but the shot needs to be well placed and when using a pistol I stay within 50 yards.
Great info. Anymore?
More to consider...
...since S&W convinced SAMMI to water down the VOLUNTARY pressure standards for the .357 Magnum in order to usher in the era of the small (J) frame .357, only smaller ammo companies truly cater to the L Frame and larger handgun hunting market with top velocity ammunition.
It is time for a full power +P standard to be adopted by the Sporting Arms and Manufacturers Institute for full size .357 Magnum revolvers.
The primary reason for the .357's poor reputation on deer size game is the use of JHP ammunition designed to limit penetration for LE/self defense use. This is also why the WFNLGC hard cast bullet has developed such a following in this caliber. A .270" to .300" meplat (flat nose) in hard cast bullets in the 175 to 200 grain weight range driven at speeds from 1200 to 1400 fps (4" to 6" barrels) are superb deer rounds at moderate (up to 100 yard) ranges. Heavier WFNLGC also have the advantage of reduced muzzle blast.
Interestingly, two of the most popular lever action deer rounds of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the .38-40 and .44-40, drove similar weight/meplat size bullets at the same velocity as todays full power .357 hunting revolvers.
Final point, the recoil level of the .357 even with heavier bullets is easily controled by the average handgunner. This makes for better bullet placement under field conditions with this extremely popular round.
Thanks for the great info and getting my spirit up that I'm not undergunned.
I have an old 38-40 that my father left me and would love to take a deer with it. Are there any rounds on the market that would do the job. again at a close range as with the 357?
Bill, I like Corbon's offerings; and Hornady's. I agree that the heavier loads are better in general. However, I wouldn't feel under gunned with CorBon's .357mag. 125 gr. hollow point all-copper loads. Some shooters do very well beyond 20 yards. Ammo is getting increasingly hot.