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Poaching is a violation of our property rights. Period.

There is a line that needs to be drawn. If we tolerate poaching, when does it become permissible to poach my horses???? Or just trespass?

A threat to my horses is a threat to my family, and will be dealt with the same way...
 
Poaching is a violation of our property rights. Period.

There is a line that needs to be drawn. If we tolerate poaching, when does it become permissible to poach my horses???? Or just trespass?

A threat to my horses is a threat to my family, and will be dealt with the same way...
i agree. poachers many times do trespass. that is a direct violation of the property owners rights. without a doubt.

i will say this though. if a poacher is poaching on his own property, to put meat on the table to survive, that is something between him and the game warden to work out. i don't condone it, or advocate it by any means, but i have my own property to concern myself with.

but, as i have said, i seriously doubt many poachers are poaching to survive on.
 
I don't hunt, but as I understand the VA state regulations, there are "seasons" for various game, but no regulation on your own private land - excepting endangered species.

There is in excess of 1800 acres of private land adjacent to my property, with a hunt club active. As long as the owner of the property approves, it isn't poaching. But it is once they cross our common stream and come onto my property. One would think that with over 1800 acres of pristine woods available, they wouldn't be inclined to cross onto my meager 25 acres.

One would be wrong...
 
I don't hunt, but as I understand the VA state regulations, there are "seasons" for various game, but no regulation on your own private land - excepting endangered species.

There is in excess of 1800 acres of private land adjacent to my property, with a hunt club active. As long as the owner of the property approves, it isn't poaching. But it is once they cross our common stream and come onto my property. One would think that with over 1800 acres of pristine woods available, they wouldn't be inclined to cross onto my meager 25 acres.

One would be wrong...
Do you know what type of hunting club it is?
 
It's my understanding that feral pig and hog are considered pests, not game. So someone looking to feed their family by hunting can do so, legally, by specifically going after pig and hog. Contact local farmers and landowners about whether they have problems with feral pigs and get permission to hunt on their land. In some areas, there are websites advertising that there is a hog problem in a given area and supply contact information for hunters to come out and help them fix the problem.
 
I don't hunt, but as I understand the VA state regulations, there are "seasons" for various game, but no regulation on your own private land - excepting endangered species.

There is in excess of 1800 acres of private land adjacent to my property, with a hunt club active. As long as the owner of the property approves, it isn't poaching. But it is once they cross our common stream and come onto my property. One would think that with over 1800 acres of pristine woods available, they wouldn't be inclined to cross onto my meager 25 acres.

One would be wrong
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I've asked the same question many times. There are open fields, deep woods, ponds all around me. Perfect deer habitat. But they tear down the electric fence around my three acre house place to graze on my grass...which is exactly the same as that outside the fence. Then when I open the door to take the dog out they make a mad dash, crash into and get tangled up in the fencing.

I see no beauty in the little bas*****! I remember when there were no deer here. IMO, much better off!

ellis
 
Ghost, it is a private club, under contract with the owner of the property (NOT a friend of mine!!!). They have been ratcheted down of late and may be a bit more responsible now since the owner's fees have increased exponentially due to legal concerns.

Ellis, they leave our fence alone and have discovered how to either jump over or go between the high-tensile fence in out pasture. They are certainly welcome and I have - on occasion - discovered deer tracks in our horses' dry-lot. Seems they get along.

I don't grow anything, so they are certainly welcome to whatever they'd like on our farm. I even put out a feed block for them for the winter should they need the nutrients. We typically have a heard/group no larger than 12, and seeing fawns each spring brings us joy. Our neighbors feel the same. So, my 25 acres are a safe haven for the critters, as well as my next-door neighbors' 10 and 15 acres respectively.

My Fi (avatar) loved to chase them initially, but eventually grew to just happily bark at them or study/stalk them. Great joy, and I miss those times.

Different strokes for different folks. We're not overpopulated here, and I've noticed fewer deer since I lost my Fi.
 
It's my understanding that feral pig and hog are considered pests, not game. So someone looking to feed their family by hunting can do so, legally, by specifically going after pig and hog. Contact local farmers and landowners about whether they have problems with feral pigs and get permission to hunt on their land. In some areas, there are websites advertising that there is a hog problem in a given area and supply contact information for hunters to come out and help them fix the problem.
in Texas, you still need a hunting license to hunt feral hogs, except if you are on private land you own or control. there are no tags or limits, but you still have to have license to hunt legally.

i have actually tried that a couple of times in the past to get some measure of control over the feral or wild hogs. advertised on Craigslist for free hog hunting. that was dismal failure. the vast majority that did end up showing up to hunt were some of the worst hunters and people i have ever seen. trashy, destructive, unsafe, ect., ect., . nope won't go that route ever again.

one group only really wanted to "hunt" so to speak so they could have a place in the woods to party and drink. huge mess is what they left us. one group decided they couldn't find any hogs so they decided to use our farm as their private mud bogs for their 4wd atv's and trucks. got several stuck and did lots of damage to the land that i had to end up repairing. and i could go on.

there are only a handful of people that i will now allow to hunt at all on any of the land on our property down here at the farm. but i have known them for many years. very seldom do thy actually come down here to hunt, but at least i don't have problems if they do.

some people might mention about the hogs being a problem, and why some landowners having a hog problem would want to charge hunters to hunt that problem on their land. i think if my past experiences are any indication, then i can understand 100% why they want to charge hunters to hunt on their land. i wished i had.
 
I've asked the same question many times. There are open fields, deep woods, ponds all around me. Perfect deer habitat. But they tear down the electric fence around my three acre house place to graze on my grass...which is exactly the same as that outside the fence. Then when I open the door to take the dog out they make a mad dash, crash into and get tangled up in the fencing.

I see no beauty in the little bas*****! I remember when there were no deer here. IMO, much better off

ellis

Ellis try hanging some streamers of fabric etc about every 8 ft of fence. They likely don't see that small wire. They can easily jump it if they see it.

Contrary to popular belief deer don't see very well day or night.

They can't distinguish a stationary human from a bush or stump at 10 yards if they cannot smell the human.

Here they are thick as fleas and a real danger to vehicles.
 
It's my understanding that feral pig and hog are considered pests, not game. So someone looking to feed their family by hunting can do so, legally, by specifically going after pig and hog. Contact local farmers and landowners about whether they have problems with feral pigs and get permission to hunt on their land. In some areas, there are websites advertising that there is a hog problem in a given area and supply contact information for hunters to come out and help them fix the problem.
That would work in many places.

Lots of places dont have feral hog. In the southern most part of my state there are a few I'm told, but in my 59 yrs of tromping the hills in the northeastern 3rd of the state I've never seen one , saw sign of one or know anyone who has.
 
It's my understanding that feral pig and hog are considered pests, not game. So someone looking to feed their family by hunting can do so, legally, by specifically going after pig and hog. Contact local farmers and landowners about whether they have problems with feral pigs and get permission to hunt on their land. In some areas, there are websites advertising that there is a hog problem in a given area and supply contact information for hunters to come out and help them fix the problem.
That depends on what state you are in. Some states have classified them as 'non-game' animals or even a 'public nuisance' while other still list them as 'game animals' with restrictions and seasons. They are a menace no matter how they are classified and need to be hunted aggressively year round! A sow has three litters every 14 months and most litters in the wild are min 6 max 12, average 8 so if you do the math you can see why they are a BIG problem wherever they are found.:( THE ONLY GOOD HOG IS A DEAD HOG!
 
That depends on what state you are in. Some states have classified them as 'non-game' animals or even a 'public nuisance' while other still list them as 'game animals' with restrictions and seasons. They are a menace no matter how they are classified and need to be hunted aggressively year round! A sow has three litters every 14 months and most litters in the wild are min 6 max 12, average 8 so if you do the math you can see why they are a BIG problem wherever they are found.:( THE ONLY GOOD HOG IS A DEAD HOG!
that is not totally accurate. a sow CAN have as many three litters a year, not they do have three litters a year, and anywhere from 3-12 piglets a litter. how many litters a sow has depends on several factors. such as habitat and food supply and boars. during a leaner feeding season, a sow may only have one small litter a year. a better season, for a better or more abundant food supply, it's very likely they could have more litters, and larger litters. so one year, the population may not increase as much, but with a more abundant food supply, and greater ranging of the hogs, the population increases by much larger numbers.
 
in Texas, you still need a hunting license to hunt feral hogs, except if you are on private land you own or control. there are no tags or limits, but you still have to have license to hunt legally.

i have actually tried that a couple of times in the past to get some measure of control over the feral or wild hogs. advertised on Craigslist for free hog hunting. that was dismal failure. the vast majority that did end up showing up to hunt were some of the worst hunters and people i have ever seen. trashy, destructive, unsafe, ect., ect., . nope won't go that route ever again.

one group only really wanted to "hunt" so to speak so they could have a place in the woods to party and drink. huge mess is what they left us. one group decided they couldn't find any hogs so they decided to use our farm as their private mud bogs for their 4wd atv's and trucks. got several stuck and did lots of damage to the land that i had to end up repairing. and i could go on.

there are only a handful of people that i will now allow to hunt at all on any of the land on our property down here at the farm. but i have known them for many years. very seldom do thy actually come down here to hunt, but at least i don't have problems if they do.

some people might mention about the hogs being a problem, and why some landowners having a hog problem would want to charge hunters to hunt that problem on their land. i think if my past experiences are any indication, then i can understand 100% why they want to charge hunters to hunt on their land. i wished i had.
The best way for a landowner to get rid of hogs is to trap them. Trapping is much more effective and you don't have to deal with strangers on your land.
 
The best way for a landowner to get rid of hogs is to trap them. Trapping is much more effective and you don't have to deal with strangers on your land.
it may be more effective, but it takes it to a different danger level dealing with a live hog! plus, you have to have some pretty stout hog traps. a pissed off hog will do some damage!
 
that is not totally accurate. a sow CAN have as many three litters a year, not they do have three litters a year, and anywhere from 3-12 piglets a litter. how many litters a sow has depends on several factors. such as habitat and food supply and boars. during a leaner feeding season, a sow may only have one small litter a year. a better season, for a better or more abundant food supply, it's very likely they could have more litters, and larger litters. so one year, the population may not increase as much, but with a more abundant food supply, and greater ranging of the hogs, the population increases by much larger numbers.
lol, Thank you for making it TOTALLY ACCURATE!!!:rolleyes:
 
Actually the best way is to use 1080 BUT that is a poison that just keeps on giving and is just cruel BUT the authorities still use it on everything from rabbits, wild dogs and foxes, pigs and are trying like hell to get stuff like Strychnine used on deer. They also want deer removed from the game animal list to pest list so as they can then use Chopper shoots and poisoning to thin them out.

Feral pigs here breed about the same rate and even if you say a sow drops 8 piglets and out of that 8 3 survive their 1st 6 months they're ready to breed around 6 months I think it is. So to really control them the way to go is to trap, poison, shoot.
Here in Australia it's estimated that there's roughly 1 pig per person so that's something like 23 million pigs in Australia not counting our politicians and not a chance in Hell of ever wiping them out.
 
Not a fan of poisons as it can spread.

Don't have a feral hog problem here, so I acknowledge my lack of understanding about the damage they do.

But it seems that the market for ham, bacon, and other pork products is ripe. The previous owner of our farm raised pigs and loved them dearly. I could never kill/eat what I raised (very likely a disgraced "farmer"). Just who I am...

But there is a limit, and were a wild boar problem become a local problem - particularly if they threatened our critters, then it is "game on". I'll need to learn how to dress them, though...and check my cholesterol on a more regular basis...Love bacon and porkl!
 
Actually the best way is to use 1080 BUT that is a poison that just keeps on giving and is just cruel BUT the authorities still use it on everything from rabbits, wild dogs and foxes, pigs and are trying like hell to get stuff like Strychnine used on deer. They also want deer removed from the game animal list to pest list so as they can then use Chopper shoots and poisoning to thin them out.

Feral pigs here breed about the same rate and even if you say a sow drops 8 piglets and out of that 8 3 survive their 1st 6 months they're ready to breed around 6 months I think it is. So to really control them the way to go is to trap, poison, shoot.
Here in Australia it's estimated that there's roughly 1 pig per person so that's something like 23 million pigs in Australia not counting our politicians and not a chance in Hell of ever wiping them out.
1080 is not a good choice because it will kill ANY animal with kidneys!
 
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1080 is not a good choice because it will kill ANY animal with kidneys!
Jim, I agree! One just can't control/manage the follow-on effects of poison. We would be inclined use poison for mice in our barn (selective areas). Not happy about it, but it is effective.
Fortunately, our barn cats keep the mouse population under control - a function for which we got them in the first place... so thankfully no need for poisons. For our house's basement, it is a different story...Tried humane solutions; didn't work....
 
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