Go easy on me

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Glockpotion23, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Glockpotion23

    Glockpotion23 New Member

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    Every since ive been into guns, i always prefer pistols. I am starting to look more and more at rifles. I am lookin to have one strickly for HD. I like the both the AK-47's and the AR-15's. Which one do i need and, how much should i expect to pay for a nice one? Are there manufacturers i need to stay away from? Any advice would be helpful:).
     
  2. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    The AK's are "inexpensive" really big pistols. The AR is a rifle. I see a decent AR carbine in your future. The fellas will start telling you about which are the best bangers for the money these days...
     

  3. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Why wouldn't you stick with a pistol for HD? Unless you live in a warehouse? I think AR's will run you more, although I hear AK's are NOT cheap anymore. Check out the AR section.
     
  4. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    For hd I go with a 12 Remington 870.
     
  5. unclebear

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    go to a gun shop and hold an AR and AK which ever one feels better to you look into it, AR can be pretty damn expensive AK's are usually around $400-$500. You have more options with an AR but then again you might be dropping anywhere from $800+, there are options for AK's but not as many as AR.
     
  6. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Get what feels right, go handle some at a show or gun shop. A shotgun is better for hd imo, but a rifle can serve many purposes. Also consider a rifle or carbine in pistol caliber: no recoil and cheap ammo, and smaller than many rifles.
     
  7. texaswoodworker

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    Rifles tend to not be the best gun for HD due to overpenetration. If you live away from other people (no one else in the house too) this is not that big of a problem. You did pick probably the 2 best rifles for HD though.
    The AK offers rugged dependability, with a round that has more punch then the .223. They are awesome guns, and tend to not be picky about what you put through them.
    The AR offers a easily customized platform that has proven itself. They do have to be really clean to ensure that they always go bang.

    Either way, you can't go wrong. Both the 7.62x39mm and the .223 are man stopping rounds (though, you might have trouble finding hollow point 7.62 locally depending on where you live). The AK is usually half the price of the AR. I would do what unclebear and primer1 said and hold both of them first to see what you are comfortable with.

    PS. They both shoot cheap ammo, and are a blast at the range. :D

    Personally, I would go with a 12 ga for HD (My fav is the 870). Look at the Saiga 12 ga. It is a 12 ga AK!!!
     
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  8. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    The Big Easy.......

    Ain't gonna do it......Keep your pistol at your bed side, and a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot as a man stopper...... You dont have to be a good shot when it comes to a shot gun........:)
     
  9. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Agreed!

    You won't have to worry about shooting your neighbors kid in the house next door from the over penetration and the stopping power is even better than the .223.

    If you want a semi-auto rifle just for fun, shoot them both then choose the one you like and are willing to pay for.
     
  10. Glockpotion23

    Glockpotion23 New Member

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    Thanks everyone for your knowledge and input. I didnt consider a shotgun till now:)
     
  11. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Model 500 Mossberg 12 ga. perhaps.
     
  12. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The AR has been classed by some experts as the best HD weapon with the shotgun 2nd and the handgun 3rd. Handgun rounds penetrate walls more than 00 buckshot while in tests the 55 grn NATO round will keyhole after passing through 1 wall = 2 layers of sheetrock dropping its penetration drastically. The 7.62x39 will penetrate at least as much as or more the pistol rounds. The AR is also easier to mount a light or even a laser and is harder to take away than a handgun. The light is more important than the laser.
    I keep a mag in my AR and a light on it. It is my go to if I have the time. I always have a handgun handy in case I dont have the time.
    I also have a 12 gauge pump. The 1st 2 up in my 12 gauge are #4 buck which is about .23 caliber. I will not load bird shot as it is prone to superficial wounds which may not stop a drugged up BG. I will grab the AR before the shotgun. I have the shotgun in a different location than the AR so I have 2 directions to go during the day. During the day I am usually carrying a G36.
    At night I keep the G36 on the night stand is to get me armed with a no screw up weapon while waking up enough to get to and operate my AR. You may not be awake enough or calm enough to take off the safety or rack a shotgun if a BG smashes into your bedroom at 2 AM.
     
  13. Jstrong

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    While I have been unimpressed with the AR most of my life,im not buying that anyone worth their salt would recommend it as a home defense weapon,and citing the that the 5.56 wont overpentrate after hitting drywall as the reason why. I could see any rifle serving as a PROPERTY defense weapon in rural areas,but in a home thats in a neighborhood I would rather take my chances empty handed against a home invader than touch off any large rifle caliber. Not trying to call you out or anything,just saying I don't think a rifle serves well for home defense. Also a long gun is way easier to take away from someone than a handgun any day of the week and twice on Sundays,anyone with any advanced military training or training in a martial art that includes firearm defense training can tell you that.
     
  14. HockaLouis

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    Intersting guys. I suppose it depends on your definition of defense, but...

    I would clearly rank a shotgun as the most effective close-in defense arm. There hasn't been any real debate about this for more than 150 YEARS! I'm talking in and around your house ranges -- say through 15 yards up to 30 with the right ammo (i.e. at least #4 or #1 buckshot).

    And the right handgun has benefits that make it preferable over a rifle too IMO.

    Yeah, I might want a carbine if it was my only gun, and I'd want one anyway, but not over the others for HD.
     
  15. Glockpotion23

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    I have been looking at the 500 Mossberg; didnt know they were that affordable:eek:. I think thats my HD weapon of choice:).
     
  16. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Glock;
    Mossberg has the most reliable, ergonomic, and highest common firepower for too low a price out of the box. They offer a very popular combo set (Field/Security Combo?) that will give you the 18-1/2" Open Cylinder barrel you want for HD as well as a nifty 28" ribbed screw-in-choke barrel that is good for pretty much everything else.

    Take a look at the even more compelling set (check the local chain sports and BoxMarts) -- I think you've found your gun!
     
  17. powg

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    home defense rifle

    The best all around home defense rifle imo would be a marlin 30-30 in the short trapper configuration .Loaded with 150 grn winchester hollow point power max ...this being said for ease of use ,dependable ,familiarity and ease of use buy others in your household. Cost effective as used ones are usually in great shape for 200.00 ...can be used for hunting deer ,hogs ,black bear ..dispatch sick ,lame ,wounded livestock. Scope it with over /under rings for iron sight use ..probably the most versatile but underated weapon of all time,because of black gun fever and ak flu . lol
     
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  18. Bear304inc

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    Go with the short barrel shotty, Remington 870 is my go to HD weapon, but won't talk down the mossberg either. 12 gauges are simply point and fire, will stop a threat at any distance in my home, from just inside a doorway to down the hall clear into the kitchen. And you don't have to be a sharpshooter, which in the heat of the moment may just mean the difference.
     
  19. Mason609

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    OR, if he really really must have an AR or AK for HD, a mag loaded with frangible ammo would work.

    Winchester, Cor Bon, MagSafe, Glaser....

    However, I think a nice pump 12g is better. You rack it so the BG can here it, but not see you, he'll know what's gonna have him for a snack. I have a Mossberg 500, I really like it. I have heard many good things about the Remington 870.

    Better advice... if there is a place you can rent these and shoot them, try that. How it feels in the store can be a world of difference when you actually shoot it.