yup. they are safe. just like a 1911 chambered and safety on is safe. but, I won't carry a 1911 concealed because again, I don't like how easy it is to flick the safety off and pull that very light, single action trigger. just personal preference. I love my 1911 that I have tricked out for competition shooting, but I'd never carry it. then again, with the modifications to the safeties and trigger, Ive forgotten how a "bone stock mil-spec" 1911 feels, so maybe if I went and bought a second 1911 and left it alone, I might feel safe carrying it. however, I prefer my Beretta again, because I can carry 15+1 of .40 and the mag sits flush with the frame, instead of 10+1 of .45 if I'm using my extended 1911 mags. (and some folks will prefer to carry 9mm because they can carry 18+1 capacity in the same size package)
Remember that little part of firearms safety about care and maintenance of weapons and equipment? That includes holsters. This situation was a result of negligence. Its no different from driving 100k miles in your car without ever changing the oil and then acting surprised when the motor blows up.
Quote all the instances you like, the truth remains. If you maintain your equipment and keep your finger off the trigger then you wont shoot yourself. I promise! If you dont follow the firearms safety rules, then a manual safety lever will not help you. My posts are not meant to be inflammatory. I just dont sugar coat things. Guns do not fire themselves. I dont care what brand is stamped on the side.
What cuda said. I love my 1911, (mine's not tricked out, it's stock), too, but EDC? No way. I'm puzzled at this obsession with external safeties. The new technology isn't really new any more, it's proven. To each his own, I feel safer carrying my M&P in C1 with no external safeties than I ever did with my 1911 that has three.
Yes, we really do get it. We are not arguing that the gun will go off on its own even if you keep your finger off the trigger and obey safety rules so please stop repeating yourself and attempt to understand what I am saying, please. Personally I have spent the past 35 years of my life shooting guns with traditional safeties while practicing ALL safety rules all the time. After 35 years, I have certain paradigms in my mind about how a gun should be equipped. When you hand me a gun that has no real "traditional" safety it stirs up irrational fears about the equipment, not my personal skill level or ability to keep my "booger hook off the bang switch" as you said. What I am looking for is maybe some statistics on Glock safety records or an explanation of the three safety systems in a glock and how they work to put my mind at ease.
I suggest unloading and safety checking. In front of a mirror, holster your glock after racking the slide. Draw and acquire target in mirror keeping finger off trigger. Reholster, rinse and repeat. You will build muscle memory for drawing and reholstering all the while unless clothing gets in the trigger guard, it will not dry fire. It should build confidence enough. Just an idea.
There have been lots of valuable suggestions and advice so far on how to overcome your dilemma. I'll make you a deal. Try whichever ones you like and if you're still not comfortable without a manual safety, we can work out a deal and i'll purchase your 27 from you. I've been looking for a 27 anyways and you can use the money for an M&P 40c which is the same size, same caliber, and does have a manual safety. I plan to buy a 27 one way or the other within the next few weeks. I'll keep checking back to see your progress. Feel free to pm me if you like.
It's a very good thing to get comfortable with, I am versed with it. Honestly what is the point of either if you are doing the other? I suggest a hard holster or a hybrid for this type of firearm. I have one for my Nano and I would be comfortable enough with it. I don't carry with one in the chamber, but I am proficient with racking the slide "Israeli style" (I like how that sounds, it sounds like it's got certain spices on it). Just out of curiosity, what is it about then?
I have been carrying guns around for over 40 years and still don't like to have one in the pipe while I'm walking around. I am willing to gamble that I have the half second or so to chamber a round. To each their own. Even when I carry the new army, I will shoot one off in the yard and leave the hammer on the empty chamber before I take off for the woods. Never had an AD.
Thanks a lot for the offer. I will keep it in mind but I really do love this gun. It never jams and is 100% reliable. It had zero break in required and worked perfectly from the first shot fired. I added Pierce grip extensions to all my magazines which gives my pinky finger a place to land. I think it will just take a little more trigger time until I am fully comfortable carying it hot. Every day I feel more confident in the gun.
Put 2000 rounds through it. By then, anything else will just feel weird. I own several not cheap guns. Hk, kimber, browning, beretta, etc. But my glock 23 is the one that rides on my hip. There is a reason for that. Several in fact as you have already started to discover yourself. I want a 27 for my ankle. I guess im gonna have to keep looking. You are gonna fall in love with yours...
I've carried Glocks for hundreds if not thousands of hours. At every position, with different holsters. They absolutely wont fire unless you put your finger on the trigger. I've done thousands of dry draws and never grab the gun with the trigger finger inside the guard. Practice until you are the same.
I have only had my Glock 19 for a few months, prior to that my concealed carry weapon was a S&W 638. No safety on these. Yet I felt uneasy with my Glock with one in the tube pocket carry until I got a Safe-T-Lock. These are a wonderful little item, I feel much more confident using it. If using my Fobus paddle holster which protects the trigger, the Safe-T-Lock is not required. As others have stated, keeping the finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire is paramount to gun safety.
Couldn't resist this one. No telling what kind of gun it was and this guy was probably stupid, but the point is, one in the chamber & no safety. If it was a Glock, the trigger safety didn't do him much good. It appears some clothing or something made it go bang. http://www.rn-t.com/view/full_story...elf-at-local-diner?instance=home_most_popular
It's not redundant. The OP asked what would make him feel better about carrying his Glock which has no external safety. The only way he will feel better about that is if the gun doesn't go bang when he doesn't want it to. I can personally attest to the fact that a Glock (or any weapon for that matter) will not fire unless some external force (usually provided by a human) causes it to. Refer back to rule number 1. If the trigger isn't pressed then it won't fire. OP if you're not comfortable carrying the gun without an external safety then don't. There are plenty of other guns that are just as reliable and will fit your hand as well.
The Glock is much like a double action revolver. There isn't any safety on one of those is there? And people have been carrying them for many, many years with little to no problems. You sound like you are very well versed in gun safety so I believe you know not to rely on any mechanical safety. The only safety you should be able to rely on is your trained brain. As long as you are confident on your training with the Glock or any other pistol and have top notch equipment (holster) you should have no qualms carrying your Glock chambered.
That's why you should make sure everything is clear when reholstering. When I reholster my G35 I make sure my shirt and jacket are out of the way, so nothing will get snagged!! Also, I have my trigger finger extended on slide, so there is no chance it will pull the trigger.
