My dad has a glock 17, he's had it for many years. I think it's a first generation glock. Did you know they come with plastic magazines?? Today he howed one of his magazines that was broken in two more than half way down, weird, he says he was pulling it out of the pouch to put them up like always and it came apart. He's probably had it loaded for years though. I tried once again to tell him how crappy they are and showed him my Kimber. He likes the Kimber, ALOT, but does not want the .45acp round because of his experience with them in the service, go figure.