Glock in Mass.

Discussion in 'Massachusetts Gun Forum' started by Danothemano, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. FullautoUSA

    FullautoUSA Welcoming Committee/ Resident Pellet Gunner Lifetime Supporter

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    Did you guys know that I HÅTË!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the ma gun laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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  2. FullautoUSA

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    Because I do.
     
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  3. mountainman13

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    Interestingly enough we are dealing with a case right now where the un-named had 2 non-mass compliant firearms and the judge threw it out of court. Threaded barrel,collapsible stock,pistol grip and detachable mag. No charges.
    So now the person wants their guns back. Well, if the law applys, we can't give them back. If not, then why can't we sell them?
    This state is a mess.
     
  4. Snatale42

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    Threaded Barrel - NOT ILLEGAL, every gun on every shelf with a muzzle break has one, just supposed to be tacked on

    Pistol Grip - NOT ILLEGAL - MA is not CA

    Detachable Mag - NOT ILLEGAL again. Must be pre-ban if over 10rds. MA has no detachable clause, again it's not CA.

    Collapsible Stock, Allowed if pinned, if not pinned could legally be given back with the actual stock just pulled off.

    Your post is worded as your a lawyer, yet your post shows you know little of MA gun law. I feel sorry for the guy your representing.
     
  5. mountainman13

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    You should re-read the laws and check your facts. I'm no lawyer I'm just an ffl. Watch who you mouth off to. You're new here you'll learn very quickly who knows what they are talking about and so far it sure as sh!t ain't you. The laws are based off of a combination of features. Besides the combination of features the firearm itself was not compliant.
     
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  6. Mason609

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    Did he bring them here after moving from another state? Or did he mod it himself?
     
  7. mountainman13

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    One was purchased out of state the other he modified.
     
  8. astroman

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    Hey mountainman, when did the Mass high capacity mag ban go into effect? I was just searching online for it, but didnt see it. I seem to recall it was in the mid-90s...
     
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    If he resided in the state the out of state one was purchased in, I believe (and I could be wrong, and if I am, several friends are f***ed - and they're lawyers, too) that they are exempt.

    I have a friend that just moved up from NC, and is waiting to get his LTC-A to have his arms and the rest of his household items shipped up, who owns several firearms that are not on the "list", as well as an AR that isn't pre-ban, but has all the features that would make it banned here, and he's allowed to have that here as well.

    Now, if he was living here, and bought it from another state, that's a different story. However, with the case being thrown out, and no charges against him, I'm not sure why he can't get them back...
     
  10. Mason609

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    Well, in MA, our Gun control act was in 1998. Though, there was the federal ban in 94.
     
  11. mountainman13

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    I believe you are correct. He resided in this state and purchased it out of state. Honestly not sure how he pulled it off.
     
  12. mountainman13

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    Essentially it started in 92 and there was some leeway until 94. It is based off of the federal law continued by Romney.
     
  13. astroman

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    Thanks Mason and mountainman - yeah, I bought my G19 in 1990, then moved outta MA in 1997...
     
  14. FullautoUSA

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    You're wrong, first of all we CAN own an unpinned stock, we can also own bayonet lugs, along with everyone of those features, however we can only have 2 of them on a post-ban gun. And a stock that is pinned is not considered a collapsable stock because it is of a fixed length, and it is not considered a threaded barrel if it has a muzzle break because you can't take it off without destroying the barrel. I can own a gun with any of those features, but only 2 of them. For example, I buy an AR, that is ma legal and has only 2 features, a pistol grip and a detachable magazine (typical ma compliant configuration), therefore it comes with either a crowned or muzzle break barrel, a fixed length stock, and either a front sight with the lug milled off or a rail mounted sight. I then swap the magazine release with a bullet button, and the pistol grip with one of those grips that makes it like a comb of a stock (see picture) and then put a bayonet lug, that is completely legal in this large communist prison. It would look stupid, but it would be legal.
     

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  15. FullautoUSA

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    Mitt Romney signed it into effect right before the clinton ban expired.
     
  16. FullautoUSA

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    Can he sell them to other marxachusetts residents? Because if so he can make loads.
     
  17. Mason609

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    That, I'm not sure about.
     
  18. Snatale42

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    It was 09/13/94
     
  19. Snatale42

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    If you check the MA law for a definition, it will refer you do the definition of the original Fed AWB. 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30). Per it:

    a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--

    (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
    (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon ;
    (iii) a bayonet mount;
    (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
    (v) a grenade launcher;

    key words here are AT LEAST, meaning once you HAVE 2 of them, it's in violation of MA MGL 121. Which is the reason people pin stocks and tack weld their brakes. So yes, you could theoretically have a working collapsible stock. But at the cost of what? Your pistol grip? no thanks. Also if you refer to MGL Section 121. The entire section starts with this

    "As used in sections 122 to 131P, inclusive, the following words shall, unless the context clearly requires otherwise, have the following meanings:-"

    It's straight up telling you to take the words literally unless "clearly" stated otherwise. Look for yourself http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section121

    While I'm not a lawyer, I'm a NRA/MSP cert'd instructor, cert'd RSO and have a few family members who are staties so I'd like to think I know a little bit.

    When I was an RSO and worked with a lot of cops, I used to screw with them and 8/10 times they couldn't tell you have the stuff their supposed to know, couldn't tell a Glock (out of all of them) pre vs post ban mag, didn't know the def of an AWB, didn't know that the EOPS roster only applied to FFLs, the list goes on. Point being many people who SHOULD know this stuff don't yet pass it as they do. The best one was one of the times I moved back to MA, and an FFL told me I couldn't move back into the state with my guns, told me I couldn't bring my Glocks in, and a bunch of other crap, which if I listened would have made him a LOT of money. Sad.
     
  20. MattNiel

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    Glock 23

    Anyone looking to sell a Gen 4 Glock 23 new/like new in box?