Glasses when shooting

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by kdog, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. kdog

    kdog New Member

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    Hi guys,

    I have a problem!

    I was at the range last week thursday with my newly bought Sig P226.
    I had two other gys shoot it. Both police officers with the german police. One of them is a gunsmith and shooting instructor for the police the other a regular ploce officer. Both are goot shooters.
    Both hit the target dead center, so the sig is setup perfectly.
    No issue there.

    Now, when I shoot the Sig, all hit are at 09:00h outside the target.
    I am am far sighted and wear correctional glasses (approx. + 1.5 on each eye). Also I have a irregular curvature of the cornea and therefor have a optical cylinder in the glasses.

    So, after wasting about 50 or 60 rounds of ammo, the shooting instructor suggested to take off my glasses.
    Now when shooting without my glasses on, the rounds hit the target pretty much dead center (a bit to the left at 09:00h on the target, but visible).
    The only problem is, that I can`t get the sights focused, only the target.

    Has anybody had a similar issue and does anybody have any suggestions on what to do?


    PS When I say whithout glasses on, I of course have on my safety glasses! Other than that, the SIG is perfect.
     
  2. lonyaeger

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    If you can see the front sight clearly with your glasses on while still seeing the target (although not clearly) I would think you'd be okay. The front sight is what you want to focus on anyway.
     

  3. kdog

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    With my glasses on, I can see the sights clearly. But I then don`t hit the target correctly.
    When I take off my glasses off, I can`t see the sighty clearly, only the target. But I hit the target much better.
     
  4. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Hmmm...maybe some kind of bifocal? Probably a question better asked to an eye guy.

    I will say that I had Lasik about twelve years ago. I had it primarily to correct my near-sightedness for my golf game. But it's kinda worn off, I'm afraid, and I'm back to near-sightedness. For shooting, that's not a problem for me, cause the front sight is clear and the target objective is a little blurry, but I still knock the hell out of the 10-ring of the target :)
     
  5. Highpower

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    I use a pair of shooting frames that allow you to adjust the lenses so that you are looking through the optical center of the lens. You are most likely not looking through the center of your current lenses, but through the upper inside corner where the lens is thinner and distorts your view.

    Have a lens made that gives you the best focus at the distance between your eye and your front sight.

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  6. Jpyle

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    Are you cross eye dominant? That may cause the 9:00 issue, that or a trigger finger issue.

    I have a similar issue with focusing on the front sights. I have found that a pair of those mini bifocals they sell at Walmart under my safety glasses work fine. They let me see the front sight when I need to but allow me to look over the frame to the target.

    Check out some of the articles here

    The Eyes Have It | American Handgunner | Find Articles at BNET
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    It does sound like you are looking through the top of the lense, not the center. You will get some distortion. Are you shooting w/ just your right eye/ left/ or both? If you are looking down the barrel w/ your head square (both eyes an equal distance) from the rear sight that can through off your focus also. Are your arms strait, or bent slightly? I had to modify my stanse, arm position and head when my eyes got bad. BTW, Good choice on the Sig. My P6 is silly accurate.
     
  8. kdog

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    Hi guys,

    I don`t know what you mean by cross eye dominant.
    I aim with my right eye and I am right handed.

    It could very well be, that I am noch looking though the center of my glasses when aiming.
    Is there any way to figure that out without aiming at somebody (with a unloaded pistol, of course..:D..)?
     
  9. canebrake

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    Aim at a mirror??

    That or take up point shooting!

    My guess is that's what you're doing when you remove your RX glasses. Mentally you know you have removed your mechanical sight correction and your body goes to the "natural" point shooting.
     
  10. Highpower

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    Take up your normal shooting stance and aim at a distant "target". Have a friend with a marker place a small dot on your glasses after you guide them to the point where your sights align. Doing it that way prevents you from changing your natural stance and head position, to correct yourself like you might do (unconsciously) while looking at yourself in a mirror.

    You could actually have a bi-focal ground into your normal glasses at that spot too I suppose.
     
  11. jpattersonnh

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    Eye dominance is not as critical w/ handguns. I shoot w/ both eyes open. I did suffer from the same issue as you when I used 1 eye. I found out I can shoot as well w/ either hand after I stopped closing one. It gave me a better awareness of everything that was going on also.
     
  12. TheGunLady

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    You really do need to know your dominant eye, particularly since you have eyesight issues. The dominant eye is important in everything from firearms to archery to golf.

    Most right-handed people are right-eye dominant. Most left-handed people are left-eye dominant. Some people are cross-dominant. They are right-handed but left-eye dominant, or vice versa. The dominant shooting eye may likely make a large physical difference on how you shoulder a rifle or shotgun - but it's also important for handguns. The few millimeters you will alter your aim can make all the difference down range, particularly for the cross-dominant.

    There are many different methods to find out, and should all have the same results. Try different ones to be sure.

    The simplest is to point your finger at a distant object with both eyes open. First close one eye and then the other. Your finger will remain lined up with the object when your dominant eye is open. If your finger isn't directly between your eyes, this method may fail.

    In class, I have a paper on the wall with a red dot on it. I give the students an index card with a hole punched in it. They hold the card out with both hands at arm's length, elbows locked, and slowly move it toward their face while keeping the red dot in focus. The eye it ends up on is their dominant eye.

    Another method is to put your hands straight out in front of you while looking at a distant object. Cross your hands so as to form a small triangle between your thumbs and fingers. Same thing - keep the object in the triangle while you move your hands to your face. The eye you end up on is your dominant eye.
     
  13. kdog

    kdog New Member

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    o.k. my right eye is the dominant one.
     
  14. TheGunLady

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    You're using the correct eye, then.

    If your group is good and consistent, just adjust the sights for *you* and your shooting preference (with or without prescription glasses). Doesn't matter if someone else can hit with it, it's your gun. ;)
     
  15. kdog

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    I`m will go to the range sunday again and see what I come up with. Ich will fire some rounds with and some without my glasses on.
    It just well be, that I turn my head while aiming in a way, that lets me look past the correctional cylinder in my lenses and cause the rounds to hit to far left.
    I will see then and let you guys know.

    Anyway, thank`s for all the advice and if anybody still has some ideas, go ahead and post them.
     
  16. Rentacop

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    kdog-
    I'm betting that you are flinching or jerking when your glasses are on but not with them off. Why ?

    Because with the glasses off, you have no clear aiming point and, therefore, no incentive to jerk the trigger when you see a perfect sight picture.

    Try shooting at a blank sheet of paper or a paper grocery bag and see if your problem goes away.
     
  17. Flat4sti

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    I am cross eye dominant which was a problem shooting trap. I had this opaque sticker about the size of a penny that i stuck onto my glasses in front of my left eye. This really helped.

    So this brings me to a question I have. I am new to pistols do you aim with both eyes open? I close my left eye. It works for me and I actually shoot better than my buddies and that's really that is all I care about.