getting ready to buy ...

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by FLMom, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. FLMom

    FLMom New Member

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    Thanks for the warm welcome in the intro section! I hope it is ok if I jump in with a total newbie question!
    I am looking for a home defense shotgun. I have 3 very young children.
    I am pretty sold on the Mossberg 500... I held it in the store, I liked it, I see a lot of good reviews on it... But I dont know what to get - a 20 gauge? a 12? What is the .410? And I read so many places that buckshot is the right thing to use, but maybe it penetrates walls too much and I should use something else?

    I would so appreciate any advice.

    Keep it simple - its all new to me! Thanks guys!
     
  2. BigByrd47119

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    Great series of first questions and they are by no means newb questions! These are questions that many people who'v owned shotguns for years and years still debate. First I will say that in my opinion, the Mossberg 500 is the best bang for the buck shotgun on the market! A very close second would be the Remington 870, however it does cost slightly more then your average Mossy. As for 20ga v. 12 ga, I belive the only way to establish this is for you to personally fire both and see which one your more comfortable with! Go to a range and give them a try (Most ranges will have Mossy 500's for rent as well)!

    The question of what load to use is a very loaded one,no pun intended. I for one, belive your average buckshot is the load you want. Birdshot will likely not be of much use against a determed attacker or a less determened attacker with a fluffy coat on. The general rule of thumb is, if its not gonna penetrate a wall (or 2) then what would you expect it to do to a intrudert?

    This is my $0.02, im sure others will be along to add theirs too!
     

  3. ArkansasHunter

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    FLMOM I have a 12ga 18.5'' barrel shotgun that is a BEAST !!! When you shoot it.
    It's a back up to my pistol in case it's needed for home defence.

    So forget about the 12ga. it might be a handful.

    Let's hope someone else comes along that can help you with the other 2 choice's.

    Personaly knowing what I know now I would had much prefered a 20ga. yet Mossberg's Maverick 88 models only come in 12ga.

    Though I have no problem with the 12ga. It's more potent than what I need it for.

    Best of luck to you ...A.H
     
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  4. Gatekeeper

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    Welcome.
    This is just my opinion, sure others will weigh in

    I think the mossy 500 is a great choice for a HD shotgun. I personally would get a 12ga, but if you're very recoil sensative you might wanna opt for the 20ga. Recoil with the 12 is a bit stiff with 00buck but with some practice it is very manageable.
    You may wanna find someone or a shop/range that would give you the basics of safety&operation and let you test fire before you buy if you dont have previous experience.
    I would go with a full buttstock model like this
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    not a cool looking but hard to control pistol grip setup like this
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    a good aftermrkt recoil pad such as simms or pachmyer will greatly reduce the felt recoil over the hard rubber factory pad.
    I recommend 00buck but if your worried 'bout overpenetration I still wouldnt go any smaller than #4buckshot. They will both penetrate drywall but IMO if they won't how can you expect them to penetrate the "bad guy"?
    Dont forget to practice, practice, practice. Even though its a scattergun you still have to aim, pattern expansion at typical indoor distances is more like 6inches not 6feet like tv and others may lead you to believe.:cool:
    Hope this helps. Good luck and welcome again to FTF!!
     
  5. CA357

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    A 20 gauge will work just fine for home defense and it won't beat you up. A 410 may be a bit too light and ammunition is more scarce for it in the heavier loads.

    Mossberg makes a 20 gauge model specifically for home defense.

    Remember, it's not about being tough, it's about being smart and prepared. ;)
     
  6. Dillinger

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    I am all over SUPPORTING this post. :D

    For a female, in a house with youngin's, a Mossy .20 guage is a great choice!
    It won't beat you up on recoil, it will get ANYONE's attention, and if you get something like #4 birdshot, it shouldn't penetrate most interior walls with any real authority should you miss.

    Do you have any trigger time with a shotgun mom, or someone that can teach you to shoot it correctly in a defensive situation?? Because all the gun in the world is not going to do you any good, if you can't use it in the dark, or hit anything.

    Practice is really going to be needed to get familiar with the weapon, so plan on some serious practice to get you proficient....

    JD
     
  7. ArkansasHunter

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    FLMOM if you have resorvations about useing Buck Shot take a very serious look at Turkey loads. They cost a bit more but they are the most potent shot loads made.
    When I say shot there not Buckshot but I do believe Turkey loads would remove a lot of meat off a person and stop them dead in there tracks.

    When I can I will do a report on 18 and 20" barreled shotguns with Turkey loads.
    I also have a Mossberg 590 Military/Police shotgun that belongs to my LEO son.

    I'm eager to see what the Turkey loads can do for Home Defence...A.H
     
  8. CA357

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  9. FLMom

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    Thanks everyone! It sounds like the 20g is the way to go. I have not had the opportunity to shoot any shotgun yet. The husband and I are going to a gun shop tomorrow to look and hopefully they will let me try out a few different ones before I make the purchase. I plan to try to get to the range once a week after we buy it. I don't want to find myself in a situation where I need it and have forgotten how to use it. If I own it, I want to be good at it.
    I'll let you know how it goes!
     
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  10. BigByrd47119

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    I also will await these results. Turkey load was not somthing I had consitered in the past!
     
  11. ArkansasHunter

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    FLMOM don't forget to check out the big sporting goods stores like Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, Cabela's, Dick's, and my faviorite Acadamy Sports if you have any of these in your area.

    When I bought my Mossberg Maverick 88 security none of the local gun shops nor my friend who has an ffl could find any HD shotguns for me.

    Not haveing any of the above big ticket store in my town, I could drive a few to one. I made phone calls to them and non had any at the time except Acadamy so I drove 80 miles to buy it.

    Since then the gun buying spree that has been going on has slowed a bit and I'm seeing HD shotguns on there shelves now.

    What I'm trien to say is don't be surprised if your store's does'nt have one and don't be surprised that there sources are out of stock.

    If this happens to you then make some phone calls like I did and maybe you'll luck out and find one.

    If you did'nt know. If the Hubby ever wants to go hunting he can buy a longer barrel to put on the Mossberg you buy, AND Mossberg has packaged deals they offer that come with 2 barrels. Maybe one of the stores you use has the packaged deals or can order one.

    One barrel for hunting and the other for HD. It want cost nuddin to ask what one of the packaged deals cost verse's just the HD gun.

    Good Luck ...A.H
     
  12. swedesteve

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    Yep !!

    20 Ga and Turkey loads !! Now THAT is a great idea AH !!
     
  13. divinginn

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    A skeet range would be a good fun way to practice shooting that shotty,more fun than shooting at targets. A 20 ga mossberg sounds like a good plan,but make sure you are comfortable with it,there are many other models out there if you are not.
     
  14. skullcrusher

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    I second the Mossy 500 in 20 ga. Turkey loads will do about the same as any #4 shot out of a short HD barrel. I don't think there is any need to spend the extra $ for them. Nitro Express Remington loads will do what you want at close range. 00buck will do better, imo. You should be able to find a used Mossy in 20 ga for around $150-190. I would not think twice about a used Mossy in good condition. They are work horses. Let us know what you decide. :D
     
  15. UnderFire

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    FLMom,

    I don't know your build, so a 20ga. might be the best choice.
    I use a 12ga. Remington 870 Police style shotgun for home defense, but that's me a 220lbs male.

    My sister-in-law (125lbs soakin' wet :)) has a 20ga. she uses for home defense and likes it very much. She keeps her's loaded with 00 Buckshot, but she doesn't have any youngin's at home, their grown & have flown the coup.
    Plus, she's an experienced shotgun user. My wife uses her S&W .38+P model 36LS revolver for home/personal defense, that's what she likes instead of shotguns.

    I believe once you decide on the shotgun of choice you'll have the best of both worlds. With that said, pick your gear and equip them with night fighting capability, and train to use them well. The odds are if you ever have to fight for your life with a firearm it will be in limited or low light, especially at home.
    I suggest you prepare now. Good luck & stay safe. :)
     
  16. rifleman1

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    all you need is #8 shot unless you plan on shooting the bad guy through the wall. my house is average size and pretty much any armed encounter is going to happen within no more then 10 feet.and getting hit with any 12 or 20 gauge load at this range is going to be effective.unless the bad guy is wearing some serious armor.
     
  17. UnderFire

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    It depends if you want to end the threat or knock him down.
     
  18. FLMom

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    Well, I had a real learning experience yesterday. We went to the gun shop. We looked at some shotguns but we went to shoot my father's .38 that he gave me. I have never shot a gun before. My first thought was - holy sh*t I dont want a shotgun because I was surprised at how the .38 felt. (I know all you hunters are laughing at me right now) And my next thought was - wow I better get a shotgun because I SUCK at hitting the target. Wow. I had no instruction at all because there was only one person at the store and he was busy. I am obviously going to have to go back many times. Thank God I did go. I cannot imagine buying a gun, putting in a safe, and forgetting about it until (God forbid) you need it.

    Anyhow, those are my first thoughts on my first shooting experience.
     
  19. slowryde45

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    FLMom,

    Check out this link...

    The Box O' Truth #22 - 20 Gauge Shotgun - Page 1

    It's a comparison between 20ga and 12ga, and how well they could do in a home defense situation. The name of the site tells alot...the Box of Truth.

    As for the shotgun versus handgun, my wife has a 20ga mossberg with 18.5" barrel on her side of the bed, fitted with a knoxx industries (blackhawk) comp-stock shotgun stock, which supposedly reduces felt recoil by up to 50-70%. She is very comfortable with it loaded with buckshot, it would do the job, as seen on that link, without too much worry of over-penetration. But she also keeps a Springfield XD subcompact within reach, too. It is a 9mm, she practices weekly with some female LEO types, has been to a couple gun schools, and qualified as a "marksman". In her own words, she prefers the shotgun, because when things go bump in the night and you are having to react out of a sleep, the shotgun is more forgiving for bad aim versus a handgun.

    This is of no comfort to me, as I sleep on the side of the bed closest the door, so she would have to shoot over me - or through me :(:D

    But with the 20Ga, specially with that stock on it, she is very accurate when she wants to be, and has full control of the gun with the stock on it. She has tried it with a pistol grip on it, and try as she might, it was too uncomfortable and slow to get off a follow-up shot, not to mention difficult to aim very accurately.

    It all comes down to what you feel most comfortable with, knowing whether or not it will stop the threat, knowing how to use it - specially in a panic situation, being able to identify and clear a malfunction, etc. - and practice with it...lots of practice.

    Slo ;)
     
  20. orangello

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    When you get another chance to try the 20 guage & maybe the 12 guage, ask about "reduced recoil" shotshells (fiochi makes some & i believe remington as well). I have not tried them myself, but if they are available in your area, it could make you more comfortable shooting the shotty. Also, if the kids are to be allowed to hunt later, a Mossberg can be fitted with a new barrel of hunting length (28" or so) for their recreation. Personally, i think the shotgun would be less likely to attract the attention of an inquisitive child, as well (safety bonus).
     
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