Getting CCW and have handgun question

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by cecasejr, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. cecasejr

    cecasejr New Member

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    The wife and I just completed the Tennessee CCW Permit school and are in process of going through the paperwork to get the permit. I have a Taurus PT 640 Pro (.40 Cal) and she has a Taurus PT22 (.22 LR). I am not comfortable with her choice but after her handling multiple handguns, she felt the most comfortable with the PT22. The reason is that on ALL of the semi auto's (she does NOT want a revolver), she was not able to pull back the slide. Not a single one. The PT22 has a pop up design to load the first round so she does not have to pull the slide back.

    At the range, her PT22 jammed 4 times out of 48 rounds, Not good. She was shooting CCI Mini Mags. I am going to try a different brand and see if that fixes the jamming problem, but the weak caliber has me feeling uneasy. She said she would consider a stronger caliber if it has a pop up loader or a trigger pull for the first round instead of pulling the slide back. I am considering trading the .22 for a .32 or .380 if we can find that design. Any ideas for her "perfect" purse pistol? It also needs to be as small as (or very close to) the size of the PT22.

    Thanks for helping a newbee out!
     
  2. WilliamTF

    WilliamTF New Member

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    IDK what a pop up loader is, but from what you say about the pistol its unreliable. That's not good esp for a sd firearm. My wife had some trouble getting her slide back on her khar, it helped her to grip the gun with her dominate hand (RH) grip the slide w/her left and instead of pulling the slide back w/her left hand she pushes the gun forward w/her RH. I hope this helps , good luck
     

  3. Minionsram

    Minionsram New Member

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    Off the top of my head I cannot think of another pistol that has the same design that you are talking about. Not to say another firearm does not have it I just cant recall. I know the pistol you are talking about and I HAD one at one time. It is gone now lol. The Bersa thunder series makes a small frame that is in .380 and as I remember was very easy to pull the slide.
    Try taking your wife to one of those ranges that offer rentals and range times to let her try diffrent weapons and calibers. That way she can be sure the pistol is just right, and she can handle the recoil and be accurate with it. Just be open minded that some of those pistols that some of those ranges use do not get the best maintainance so you may experiance some jams or such.
     
  4. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

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    I believe Beretta makes a pop-up type in .25 & .32. If I remember correctly, the 21A is the .25 & Bobcat is the .32, but not sure.


    Edit: Sorry, I was wrong the Mod. 21 IS the Bobcat & is .25APC. The Mod. 3032 Tomcat is their .32ACP.
     
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  5. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    If it has issues with CCI mini mags, that's a bad sign. They consistently run better than just about anything else in finicky rimfires.

    The best "purse gun" will almost always be a revolver...because it can be fired from within the purse, without the other contents fouling things up when it attempts to cycle. A semiauto carried in a purse is best done in a purse that's designed specifically for a concealed weapon, IMO.

    My best suggestion would be to try and find a medium compact (not micro) 380 or 9mm that she might be able to cycle, and have her at least try revolvers a bit. A good 38sp+P is probably what would serve her best. The 32acp is a pretty anemic round and there aren't a whole lot of quality firearms made in that caliber. I'd keep the 22lr (or upgrade to a better 22lr) until she finds a more appropriate caliber that will work for her.

    Check out some 22lr/380acp/9mm options from Bersa or Walther. They offer guns where frames are nearly identical in all three calibers. Maybe replace the Taurus with a Bersa Thunder 22lr for example, and add a Thunder 9mm or 380 to transition toward. Also look into Sig P232 and P239...but don't buy a Sig 22lr pistol.
     
  6. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Check out the Beretta Tomcat.
     
  7. Minionsram

    Minionsram New Member

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    My wife was looking at the Stoeger Cougar and the Beretta Tomcat a few months ago.
     
  8. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    One more suggestion I neglected: Ruger SR22 and SR9.

    Rugers tend to have a bit of extra slop built into their pistols, which aids in reliability and might make for an easier slide pull for the wife.
     
  9. primer

    primer New Member

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    Is the gun new or broke in? Lubed properly? Try a high velocity ammo if the owners manual allows.
     
  10. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

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    Quote: "The reason is that on ALL of the semi auto's (she does NOT want a revolver), she was not able to pull back the slide. Not a single one."


    There is a method that makes it easier to operate a slide. Rather than holding the rear of the slide between the thumb & forefinger, then pulling back on the slide, try the 'hand over the slide' method.

    Hold your support hand over the top of the slide. Grasp it with as many fingers possible, without covering the ejection port, against the heel of your hand. his gives you a little better gripping power. Then, with the strong hand grasping the grips as with a shooting grip, hold the slide steady & push the strong hand foward. Or you can try both a rearward pull on the slide at the same time push forward with the strong hand.

    This can be done with the pistol held up close to the body, using stronger muscles. Can even hold up close to chest & utilize shoulder muscles, if needed. Just be sure you are turned so that muzzle always points in a safe direction.
     
  11. WilliamTF

    WilliamTF New Member

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    I know what you mean by pop up
     
  12. cecasejr

    cecasejr New Member

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    SA/DA , DAO, S/A, D/A..... I am not 100% sure who offers what.

    Does someone make a .380 with a hammer that you can pull (for the first shot) instead of cycling a slide? Then after the first pull of the hammer it will shoot as a regular semi auto? Thanks again.
     
  13. HOSSFLY

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    This is where i usually recommend the Ruger SR9C :eek:
    But the slide on one is a real bear to manually opperate :(
    My wife loves hers BUT she carries it basicly "cocked 'n locked" I would NOT want her to have to chamber her first round in the heat of the "moment"-
    Now she had a Bersa 380 that was a breeze to "pull the slide back" but she wasn't happy with it :eek:
     
  14. partdeux

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    So, you load one in the chamber and she carries it, problem solved...

    I'm not sure the Bersa 380 is that much easier. My wife's is still breaking in, but it's awful stiff, and IMO not much better easier then the 9.
     
  15. jmeekhof

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    Have her try the method of using her balm on one side of the slide and all 4 fingers on the other. It should help a lot. If that does t work look for an assist add on. Someone makes a loop that hooks to the glock slide. Something like that will help. Get at LEAST a .380.

    My Ruger LC9 is pretty easy, but if she has arthritis or something, I can understand. Or just rack it for her and she won't have to worry about it. Mine is always ready except at the range.
     
  16. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Thats pretty much it- Whatever she carries needs to be "on the ready" anyways-
    If she gets into a firefight all she has to do when MT is slam another mag home & use the slide "release" :D
     
  17. Bear304inc

    Bear304inc New Member

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    I second the above suggestions, go to the range, rent some larger calibers. Imo she needs a weapon she can cycle and operate by herself. You may not always be there to load and lock it for her. she will need to be independent in case she has the misfortune of having to use it.
     
  18. Mack40Cal

    Mack40Cal New Member

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    Try a Taurus .380 I think its the TCP It looks like a nippy lil' gun! I'm relatively new to guns but I'd rather have a .380 than a .22 correct me if I'm wrong...
     
  19. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Beretta DEFINITELY makes a tip-up loading gun. I also know they chamber them in 380 Auto. Stop by the Beretta forum, they will point you to the exact ones.

    Interestingly enough, my wife has the same issue with skimobiles. She can't, (refuses?) to pull the recoil starter. Now, if she want's to, she can take you down, she's not a wimp. Maybe there's a specific set of "guy muscles" that allow you to do these kinds of things that women just don't exercise? So, we will be getting her an electric start sled.
     
  20. Gh0zt36

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    pt22 is a good gun I used to have one , they are a bit picky what they like to feed but I had excellent results with ball mini mags 40gr