'Get Away' Vehicle Of Choice?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by AR Hammer, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. AR Hammer

    AR Hammer New Member

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    I am a 'Trail Jeeper', and I have several Jeeps, including pick-up trucks, wagons and early CJ Jeeps, so I pretty much know what works both on and off road.

    What I was wondering is what the rest of you may have or may want for a 'Get Away' vehicle?
    I like weekend 'Get Aways' where we trail ride, practice trail craft and camp craft. I believe it's all in good fun, and is good training in the event I ever have to run for my life.

    Some other considerations are things like,

    Fuel Efficiency.
    A big, wicked 'Carry Everything' APC might be nice for the first 30 miles or so, but what are you going to do for fuel?

    Fuel Type.
    Some vehicles are VERY picky about what fuel they will and won't accept!
    The big supercharged/turbocharged/high output engines may look good now, but what will you do if premium fuels are not available?

    Something to think about is a diesel will run on about any kind of diesel, and it will run on vegetable oil in a pinch.
    Diesels are easily modified to run on propane or diesel also, so you can use either/both.

    With a little more work, gasoline engine vehicles can be readied to run propane also.

    Propane stores very well, will be available in remote areas (everyone out in the 'boonies' has a propane tank) and is cost effective.

    EMP/EMI/RFI hardened.
    Lots of the newer computer controlled vehicles are very easily knocked out of service by projected electrical discharge energy.
    Older vehicles with 'Primitive' electrical systems and 'Hardened' vehicles won't have that problem.

    Size Vs. Storage.
    Very large vehicles are great for storage, but they are cumbersome on back roads and trails, and usually turn out to be top heavy...

    Tires & Running Gear.
    Some guys have vehicles that will go nearly anywhere.
    These are usually hand built hybrids that take some very specialized parts, like monster tires that won't be available, odd application or special built drive shafts, U joints and things...
    A set of 15" rims and you will always be able to find tires of some kind for them,
    A set of 'Normal' size truck tires and you will normally be able to find a replacement tire that is at least close!

    Engines and Drive Train Parts.
    Some of us have older engines that parts no longer grow on trees.
    Some guys swap in very common Chevy or Ford engines, and they will be able to find parts anywhere/everywhere for years to come.
    Any farmer's back lot or junk yard will be a treasure trove of spares!

    Simple Is Always Better.
    A simple vehicle will always be a better choice in the 'SHTF' events.
    A vehicle with carb instead of fuel injection,
    A vehicle with distributor over computer controlled ignition,
    A vehicle with stand alone charging & starting systems will be easier to work on in the event of failures.

    An enclosed vehicle will always be more comfortable than a open vehicle...
    IE, Hard top wagon vs. open jeep or quad, even though the quad or small jeep may get better fuel mileage and be more off road capable.
    (Nothing like having a warm, dry place when there is freezing drizzle!)

    Having a pretty common vehicle (Jeep, 4x4 half size truck, 4x4 wagon, ect.) you will be able to get parts for it now, and you will be able to afford extra parts for your 'Trail Fix' box!
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    Anyway, I've written enough, let's hear your thoughts on the situation, and maybe even some pictures!
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I'll stick with my Jeep Cherkoee and hope that the evil EMPs don't fry the electronics. It is mostly stock, with some 30" mud tires. I average a little shy of 20 MPG, so it isn't too bad a gas hog. Parts are cheap and easy to come by and it'll carry enough crap to live off of for a few weeks. I can get the beast to go anywhere that I need to be.
     

  3. 1984cj

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    I am vulnerable to EMP but in an EOTWAWKI I can probably find a early 70's AMC 232 I-6 engine that I can swipe the Distributor and coil from :D

    It's just me and the wife. I can pack a fair amount of crap in my CJ and it's easy to maneuver on road and off road.
    Stock size rims but over sized tires. I'll just have to find 2 of whatever tire i need:D

    The AMC 258 is still pretty plentiful in junkyards and farmer fields. It is has tractor engine reliability.

    About the only way to get more simple with my CJ would be to change the ignition system to points. Only thing is I like not having to deal with points :D
     
  4. Clayton

    Clayton New Member

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    In this country, If you wanted/needed something that would do all you needed and have lots of parts available, It's gotta be some sort of land rover I know lots of people who use these for shooting and off roading.
     
  5. AR Hammer

    AR Hammer New Member

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    Land Rover is the UK's version of the 'Jeep'...
    I liked Land Rovers (lots of them in the middle east in the mid 80's) but you would be hard pressed to find parts for them here in the US.

    Older Jeeps (The AMC kind) are getting kind of scarce.
    Newer jeeps are everywhere, but they are electronic.
    Not that fuel injection is a bad thing, just that most people are limited on what they can do with it if something goes wrong.

    Over here, jeeps and 'mini' trucks (what we call 'mini' the rest of the world just calls 'trucks') would probably be the best choice.
    Fuel efficient with standard parts, large enough to carry a lot of supplies with out being a huge target and top heavy...
     
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  6. Lostj

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    my "get away" vehicle is my 2000 tj, lifted on 33" swampers with a locked front end.
     
  7. vince99

    vince99 New Member

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    Toyota 4 runner 2005....with roof racks...
     
  8. sidroski

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    Lead shield

    New and browsing - has any of you thought of using a plate of lead on any parts that would be vunerable to efi? We all have had x-rays where they put a veil of lead over you.
    What would you protect and how thick a piece of lead? Any car guys out there? Lead is pretty pliable and cheap.
    BTW - I too think mpg's trump about anything followed closely by parts.
    Good topic.
     
  9. RaceBannon

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    Mine are an 89 Wrangler and a 92 Cherokee. My wife and i both drive them and we have made several trips using both. It's a good combination of carrying capacity and off road performance.
     
  10. rickrem700

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    Bug out vehicle

    I guess there is no perfect choice, but this is what I came up with, I have a large family so I sport a 2002 Dodge Durango with the 5.9 it has everything you could think of as at one time it became an obsession of mine just ran out of things to do to it, it will stay on the paved roads till I have no other choice!!! I also have YZ 465 J (Dirt Bike) that is as clean as the day I bought it, this will be very useful to get from point A to point B, there is not to much you cannot get through on a dirt bike, for the winter I have two old Arctic cat 6000 sleds that are in tip top condition, and ready to go!!! currently looking for old Durango for a beater truck for hunting and fishing.
     
  11. Old Soldier

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    I have a 2003 Jeep Rubicon with a Detroit rear diff, the front diff is still controled by air, running on 35" X 12.50" X 15" Super Swampers and puling a 1973 Stevens M-416 for any "extra" stuff like extra ammo, gas, and food :eek:

    Jim
     
  12. BlueXJ

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    Mine is also an older Jeep Cherokee. It is pretty reliable and I know it inside out. Many parts are exchangeable with other Jeeps and several Dodge vehicles if you know what you need then you are a step ahead of the guy who always has to go to a mechanic. There may be NO mechanics around.
    As far as tools I keep a pretty full toolbox in my Jeep to repair what needs repairing as well as most common parts that would break on the trail like u-joints, axles, belts and hoses. There is ample storage both inside and on the roofrack. It has a winch to extract itself or others and it also can be easily rigged to sleep in if needed.
     
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  13. Quasi

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    Mine is supposed to be delivered in early January. 2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited. I'm looking forward to it, although I've read they may be offering a diesel version in 2009. That might have been a better choice long-term.
     
  14. 1984cj

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    Great! Now hop on over to Jeepforum.com and start reading about the jeep addiction and the Jeep wave.:D
     
  15. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Jeeps can be a worse obsession than guns. They definitely get in the way of each other when it comes time to budget extra money.
     
  16. Tanker60A3

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    Mazda Miata

    Silly me but I like my little red Miata for a weekend get away.
    Now if you are talking all gloom and doom end of the world stuff - well I like my John Deere Gator. Sips gas (with a lawnmower engine no less), will haul a good load, pulls a half ton trailer, and will power through anything I will ever run into.
    John Q.
     
  17. WILDCATT

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    transportation

    what nobody mentioned was battery.the old cars with generator could be push started and run without a battery.or at least a dead one.new cars wount run with dead battery.
    an older toyota pickup.why?they very seldom need repairs.my 95 tercel[not a pickup]has never been repaired brakes and tires only.
     
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  18. Quasi

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    Cool, thanks..I'm over on Jeepforum.com too but mostly lurking so far. My Jeep is in D1 status so it shouldn't be long now.
     
  19. oznbolivia

    oznbolivia New Member

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    escape transportation.

    We have only one choice, a 1987 Iszusu Trooper. Suck gas like it was feed with a funnel. One thing people need to remember is that highway gas milage wont cut it. Off road or stop and go get out of the area will cut highway milage by half. Now if you are carry gas it can be used in a coleman stove if it is no or very low lead gas, done it for years, carry it outside of the car. Our roof rack is factory and rated at 100 pounds. Placing a sheet of plywood would help spread the weight so a few more pounds could be added. Dog and some things fit in the back with two up front and one in the back we still have room for some food stocks.

    Pulling a trailer cuts milage as does a large stack of things on the roof. An aerodynmamic box helps.

    Living where we live escape via paved roads is not an options and the hills here are vertical. Sit tight and pray a lot.

    Oz