Gear for sleeping in sub-freezing temperature with snow

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  1. FullautoUSA

    FullautoUSA Welcoming Committee/ Resident Pellet Gunner Lifetime Supporter

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    How would you guys recommend making a shelter or area to sleep in the snow, what would be good gear to have?
     
  2. capto56

    capto56 New Member

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    I've seen on dual survival, one of them make a shelter just out of snow. Getting out of the wind increases your chance of survival drastically. And he also made a fire, if possible, and the heat reflected off of the shelter and warmed him up even more.

    As for gear, a shovel would be most helpful. For building, moving the snow and also for foraging for food and wood buried under the snow.
     

  3. FullautoUSA

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    I was thinking that possibly digging a foxhole in the snow could work, the snow being cold still worked me a bit, a water proof sheet may work, may try and see if that works this weekend, just going to see if it prevents some cold not going to sleep out there unless I have to I'll tell you MA is cold as hell in winter
     
  4. c3shooter

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    Sorry, bro- did 2 winters in Fairbanks Alaska with the Army. You have not gotten into the outskirts of hell yet!

    Yes, you can use snow as a windbreak, and to limit heat loss. You do not want your body or sleeping gear to be in CONTACT with snow- it melts, you get wet, you get cold.

    We would dig a snow cave, ensolite pad under us. Air temp in the cave might be zero, but OUTSIDE the air temp would be -60F. Spend some time reading on military cold weather survival.
     
  5. FullautoUSA

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    Well I'm sorry if I'm not hard core enough!;)
    I think trash bags may work
     
  6. capto56

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    I think trash bags are a good idea for a regular bob. I am going to add some when I get home.

    Now what kind of trash bags are the best?!
     
  7. FullautoUSA

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    That's a good idea, try town bags, hefty bags and regular ones
     
  8. capto56

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    Lawn bags? Hmmm

    Also take a look at the Mil's. For instance, a standard trash bag can range from 0.5 to 1.1 mil. The thicker ones range from 2.5 to 3 or so. Thicker, sturdier the better. But not necessarily enormous ones.
     
  9. FullautoUSA

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    Thicker and more surface area to cover your whole body
     
  10. capto56

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    True.

    That reminds me, I have to add some sort of compact blanket to my bag also lol.
     
  11. John_Deer

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    A cheap tarp or a space blanket would go a long way in keeping you dry. The snow is 32 F. The snow will help keep you warm, if you stay dry. If you have adequate clothing and a dry spot you will live through the night.
     
  12. nitestalker

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    The very old "Long Fire" is still used in the Rocky Mtns. A long shallow pit is dug filled with wood. The pit is fired for cooking the meals. The bed of coals are buried with dirt. A canvas tarp and a down bag is placed over the fire pit. It predates the electric blanket by 1,000 years. You will be warm until sun up.:)
     
  13. therhino

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    It's important to note that you should not dig DOWN into snow for survival. You want to dig laterally. If you dig straight down into a snowback, all your body heat escapes straight up out of the hole. Dig horizontally into the bank and your heat stays in your "tube" longer and keeps you warmer.

    I'mnot sure if it's available online anwhere, but the Military channel shows two documentaries on the Marine Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport, CA. I was stuck on armory guard for my trip up there, so I never got to see the hands-on stuff, but the two documentaries show some of the exercises and techniques.
     
  14. TLuker

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    I got cold just reading this one. Luckily I don't have to worry too much about snow, but I would be putting together some sort of structure if I were out in it. That and maybe slicing open a ton ton. :)
     
  15. FullautoUSA

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    The only problem is that ton ton's are endangered and so there arent many around but if I see one I will do :)
     
  16. c3shooter

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    OK- pay attention now. Have slept in some form of each of these-

    Snow may be much colder than 32- but the air in snow keeps it from pulling heat away like moving air will do. Secret to shelter- block wind, create pocket of still air- smaller the better. As low as possible.

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    Branches, tarp, poncho, parachute, covered with snow- keep fires OUTSIDE and away from evergreen branches, which burn like lighter fluid.

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    Building a TRUE snow block igloo is a learned skill, takes a lot of time. But you can scoop a trench to get depth, and roof it with snow blocks, and get a one man shelter pretty quickly. Handy for out on tundra where there are no trees. Orient it so opening is downwind, use your pack to close door.
     
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  17. nitestalker

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    Take a couple of these with you. They will keep you so warm you will look forward to dark.;)
     

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  18. dog2000tj

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    I'm sorry c3 ... but none of those shelters are code complaint ;)


    :p
     
  19. c3shooter

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    Stalker- In Northern Alaska, you want one with a bit more flesh on her- nights are MUCH longer!

    When I was stationed there, was a bachelor, dated a young lady that was an Athabascan Indian, nursing student at U of Alaska- looked a lot like this young lady.

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