Garand Importation Ban

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Tgeorge, Aug 26, 2010.

  1. Tgeorge

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    It doesn't say the US is trying to ban the buyback it simply posted that they are opposing the sale. It's not surprising to me that our current administration would do this but we need to be careful not to spread untruths or pull things out of proprtion.

    In any event, we'll know soon enough if the rifles show up for sale at CMP or another importer.
     

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  6. alsaqr

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    Yep, Obama is a sorry piece of work. However, the re-importation of M1 rifles and M1 carbines has been illegal for a long time. Bill Clinton cited the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968 when he banned their re-import in 1994.

    In 1989 Bush I banned the importation of foreign made semi-auto milsurp weapons.

    BTW: The wonderful gun loving Bush II refused to overturn these bans. We have had four sorry anti-gunners in the white house, one right after the other. :mad:
     
  7. Highpower

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    Orest Michaels (CMP) long ago stated that the CMP will NOT be receiving any of those rifles from Korea since they are not an "importer". They can only obtain rifles that have been returned directly to the US Army, and even then there is no guarantee that Army will forward any of the weapons to the CMP.
     
  8. Angry_bald_guy

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    I wouldn't mind having a Garand... They shoot .30-06, right?
     
  9. TheOldMan

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    Ok Highpower... My wording was confusing and you are correct CMP is NOT an importer. What I meant was that they might come back through CMP or that another importer "might" bring them in IF allowed to do so by the US government. We good now?
     
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    I don't think your wording was confusing at all sir, and I understood what you meant. All I was trying to point out was that there is no way the CMP will be getting or selling any of those particular rifles. As I said before, that comes directly from Mr. Michaels who is the director of operations.

    I'm sorry if you took umbrage to my post. My only reason for pointing it out is because every time something like this gets posted on the interwebs the CMP gets flooded with phone calls from folks wanting to buy these rifles. All that does is tie up the staff by answering phone calls all day long about items they don't have - instead of being able to process the orders from customers for items they do have. And that considerably extends the time it takes to ship legitimate orders to waiting customers.

    Eventually it forces the staff to not answer ANY phone calls, so they can get their work done and get caught up on processing their orders. Which also means customers that need to get their information updated, or have a problem with a previous order cannot get through to resolve current issues. It turns into a vicious cycle.

    Nothing against you T.O.M......
     
  11. bkt

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    As a result of Heller isn't it inappropriate for the Federal government to ban importing any firearms that don't fall into NFA (class III) categories?
     
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    I thought Heller was just a second ammendment issue? How does it apply to the import ban? Just curious:)
     
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    yes, they do!
     
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    Sorry, I meant McDonald. And yes, it's "just a second amendment issue." :)
     
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    LOL Thanks. I started reading all of the text on that case and couldn't find anything on import bans (whew) thought I was going cross eyed for a little bit.:) But the McDonald case is also a 2A case only based in Chicago. Not trying to be a P.I.T.A. (pain in the a**) but still looking for the litigation corolation on import bans..
     
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  16. dunerunner

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    The mess is that since the weapons were given to the South Korean Government by the United States Government, the administration has construed that the State Department should be involved. Since we have a Progressive Liberal and a potential Democratic Candidate for President as Secretary of State this is just another political decision.

    There is no reason other than that for the Ban!!

    Again, this is a slap in the face for every veteran of the Korean War!! :mad:
     
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    State Department Blocking Return M1 Garands and Carbines

    I just received an email a while ago from the NRA reporting that the Dept. of State is blocking the return of approx. 800,000 M1 Garands and carbines from South Korea. (The 800,000 figure seems a little out of whack? Maybe 80,000?)

    Now I understand why, when the CMP announced they were out of M1 Carbines, that they also said they did not expect to get any more.

    The Brady Campaign is reported as saying, these guns are a "threat to public safety".

    Here's a link to the article:

    NRA-ILA :: State Department Squirms On Garand And Carbine Imports

    I urge that those of us who are so inclined should contact our Congressional Reps and Senators and kindly and politely demand they get this position changed!

    I don't feel I'm a "threat to public safety". How about you?

    Nothing like a little gun control through the back door while no one is looking.....

    I seem to recall that when the Clinton Admin. was in full sway, they had thousands of these historic firearms (you know, the ones that won WWII), destroyed. Can you imagine it? True pieces of American history crushed and ground up like so much scrap?

    BEYU
     
  18. alsaqr

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    The people who are driving the crusade for the re-importation of those guns from Korea forgot to tell you the whole story. This is often the case when someone stands to make a lot of money by selling ratty worn out guns at high prices.

    The ban on re-importation of M1 rifles and M1 carbines predates the Obama administration. This ban dates back to 1994 when Bill Clinton declared them illegal for re-importation under the "sporting purposes" clause of the Gun Control Act of 1968. Fact is that Bush I and Bill Clinton had a wonderful old time gutting our 2nd amendment rights by outlawing the import of semi-auto military weapons under the "sporting purposes" clause.

    BTW: In February, 1994 Bill Clinton banned the import of of "street sweeper" shotguns under the 1934 National Firearms Act.

    NRA-ILA : Clinton Gun Ban
     
  19. BEYU

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    Law governing importation....

    I do not pretend to know the ins and outs of the various laws that pertain to the importation of surplus arms into the US.

    But I do know that M1 carbines were returned in late years, from Greece and Italy (I believe). I know this because CMP was selling M1 carbines up until the last month or so, until they ran out. I bought one of them about a year ago.

    So, the importation of these weapons must be allowed, at least under specific (perhaps limited):confused: circumstances.
     
  20. alsaqr

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    The CMP guns that came back from Europe had been given to those countries through Lend-Lease. The deal was that those guns would be sent back to the US. Lend-Lease ended in the 1940s.

    The guns that Korea has were donated to that country.

    BTW: In the 90s Clinton and his anti-gunners had most of the US inventory of M14 rifles destroyed. Many of the M14 rifles going to US troops are guns that were donated to foreign countries. The US asked for them back.