Garand #4

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by xring3, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. xring3

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    Just got my fourth CMP Garand today. This is a later production SA. Actually better than expected as the stock is walnut and not many dings in the wood. Also no cracks or broken wood on the stock. I will strip it down and do a though check in a few days, refinish the stock and so on. Muzzle gauges a 2 and the throat is a 4. Not bad for a field grade M1. As it has been my OPINION, this is about the best deal for an M1. $550.00 delivered, I think, is a pretty good deal in todays world. Other folks may not share the same thoughts. :)
     
  2. Trez

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    Excuse me while I go pout in the corner over there..... :( :p

    (Wheres the pics??!!??!)
     

  3. xring3

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    Pics will come shortly. Trez I think you wanted an IHC.....as stated in another posting keep your eye out and one will surface
     
  4. Orlando

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    I have personally handled many of them with MW as high as 6-7.You got lucky, most Field Grades are in need of a rebarrel
    This amount of wear is still within the grade description. Todays Field Grades are yesterdays Rack Grades.
    IMO a Service Grade for $625 is a much better deal. You will not have to worry about a rifle that wont be a good shooter
    Congrats on the new Garand
     
  5. xring3

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    As I have purchased a fair number of Garands over the years, including Danish returns among others, I have yet to run across one that did not fit the grading system for the rifle purchased. If yesterdays rack grade is now todays field grade then there must be a degree of fraud going on in the grading system at the CMP as the description has not changed over the years. Bottom line is this..I have not over the years been disappointed with a field grade M1. Perhaps others have. I have needed to do some wood refinishing as I have on all C&R rifles I have purchased and these came from who knows where. As stated in the disclamer these are not new rifles. It is part of the collecting game. Another consideration for some folks may be that extra $100.00. $550.00 delivered for a field grade may be affordable for some folks. $650.00 delivered for a service grade may not. Guess it is up to the individual if they want to spend the extra bucks.
     
  6. Orlando

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    I to have been buying ,shooting, building Garands for 10 years
    There is no fraud as the Field Grades still fall within the grade description but alot of them are at the bottom of it. The Grade description did change slightly in the last few years
    I have handled many, many ,many hundreds of them over the years and have seen all the grade descriptions start to slip towards the bottom some
    Still nice rifles but I would never take a chance on mail order on a Field Grade
    Its alot cheaper to buy a Service Grade than a Field Grade and have to get anew barrel installed
    JMO yours may vary
     
  7. xring3

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    Where to start. I am sure you have had lots of experience building and rebuilding Garands in the 10 years. I too have had experience with Garands, Enfields, Mausers, Springfields, Krags, Mosins, Lugers and numerous sporting arms over my 30+ years of collecting and working in the armory at Ft. Sill, Ok. during my 6 years in the army. In most cases a field grade rifle will do a person quite well without having to spend too much money. If a person feels so inclined to spend the extra $100.00 good for him (or her). Remember what an M1 was designed for, a combat infantry weapon. It is not a tack driving target rifle without serious modification. If a person is looking for seriously accurate M1, they should probably opt to have a new barrel installed as a field or service grade rifle will not satisfy them. Guess it is just a matter of a money race. This is why I gave up competitive shooting. THAT is another story however. :D
     
  8. Orlando

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    I am not a competative shooter and never was. Just a lover of the sport of shooting and the Garand.
    I agree that if you can handpick a Field Grade they can be a good deal.
    I do own several Field Grades but today would never take the chance on mail order
    The rifle you received is not the condition of all Field Grades . If you mail order it is very likely to get a rifle rifle with much more wear
    I was only making a point so someone wouldnt place a order and then be dissapointed when they didnt get a rifle that was as yours
    The best thing to do is buy the best rifle you can afford, then read the grade description and expect to get exactly that. Anything better is a bonus
     
  9. longunner

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    If I get a service grade should I expect a nice rifle? Would it basically have a good stock and great bore?
     
  10. xring3

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    Caveat Emptor should be the rule of thumb whenever making a purchase on a mail order basis. This being said buying mail order from the CMP may be the only way, due to distance or some other factor, that a person can obtain an M1 at a reasonable price. My purchases from the old DCM (one rifle only at that time) and subsequent purchases from the CMP (both field and service grade) have met or exceeded expectations. This has been my experience. Other folks may have had a sad experience. Purchases from other sources, for me, have netted mixed results. This is part of the C&R game. BTW, I should be able to post some photos of the finished product if I can complete some "honey do" projects that are ahead of the M1. ;)
     
  11. Orlando

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    Yes, with a Service Grade you will have a great shooter, great bore. On Service Grades they may come with new commercial wood stocks instead of USGI. If you prefer one over the other you can add a note to your order asking for it.
    There is no gaurantee you will get it but it doesnt hurt to ask.
    If it comes with a USGI stock it will not be pristene, it will have some dings and dents but no large cracks, etc. After all it is a battle rifle
    If you want to safe $100 on a Field Grade its a roll of the dice, if you want a sure thing get a Service Grade
    JMO
     
  12. xring3

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    Both sides have been heard on this subject. Perhaps it is time to put this acrimonious debate to rest.
     
  13. drboompa

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    I have always been pleased with the folks at CMP. Bought M1 and 1903 barreled receiver. No complaints. As well, ammo, tools and bayonet. Great folks.
     
  14. longunner

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    What do the Garands come with?
     
  15. Orlando

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    One enbloc and a manual, I beleive the rebuilt specials with new barrels come with a enbloc ,manual and commercial slig
     
  16. xring3

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    There is an interesting article on buying from the CMP and the different grades involved. Shows results at the range with various ammo and objective analysis. Good read.
     
  17. Milsurpshooter60

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    Orlando orland orlando, are you on every single forum on the net telling them all how much you know about garand,s?one mans junk is another man,s rifle,i did not see you get asked if you would trust a mail order feild grade????????Some of us do not have thick wallets and have to rebuild our own from scratch and that does not make them any less of a peice of history than any other.Or change the fact of how we love our Garand,s.:confused:
     
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  18. Orlando

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    Milsurpshooter, Mmilsurpshooter, Milsurpshooter, I tell the truth and how it is, sorry if I was just trying to help the OP out. After all isnt that what the forum is about????
     
  19. Milsurpshooter60

    Milsurpshooter60 New Member

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    NO you try to school us all get off the soap box and just enjoy the forum.If we need to ask we will i did not see anyone ask ya.
     
  20. Orlando

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    No I try to help others from my experiences so they dont have to make the same mistakes I have. I guess if you dont like my posts maybe you shouldnt read them . Have a good weekend