Full length guide rod matter?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by DP03, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. DP03

    DP03 New Member

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    As I'm searching for my first 1911, one of the models has a full length guide rod. The LGS owner told me to expect a lot of different opinions on this. Anyone have a preference one way or the other?
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I prefer the full length. They just seem to cycle more smoothly. As the tolerances get tighter in the rest of the gun, I think the full length is better. For a "sloppy" GI spec gun the original is fine
     

  3. Mercator

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    I prefer a short rod for the ease of disassembly, but ultimately don't care.
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Full length only matters in slides shorter than the standard full length slides or slides longer than standard length or with springs 20# and up. Other than those conditions they serve no functional purpose.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i think some of it is personal preference. in some pistols it may make a difference, but in those i have owned that i tried them in i couldn't see any difference to justify the cost of changing over to one.

    now, i'll run them as is. if they come with one, fine if not fine too. my SA Micro Compact 45 came with one factory and a bushingless barrel.
     
  6. danf_fl

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    The FLG is a way to part you with some of your money.

    Okay, so the recoil spring won't "kink" with it. But nobody has convinced me that the standard setup as designed by JMB allows the recoil spring to "kink" either.

    Some FLGs are two piece, some are solid. Some people like them, some don't. I don't like the extra steps needed to disassemble with one.

    The best thing is to shoot a 1911 both ways (different guns may react differently, so use the same 1911). I have a FLG in one or two, but there is no difference in accuracy either way.

    Another consideration is that the recoil spring plug has to be open for the FLG to work. Another area for dirt to get into.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if i were building a 1911 from scratch or doing a full on custom build, i might consider using a FLG. but from what i have experianced in the past, i see little need o change from the factory set-up with no real gains in performance, to justify the cost and time to change to one.
     
  8. therukh

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    1911 Guide Rod

    I have both, but when I used to work some at Novak's .45 Shop, as it was then called, Wayne used to say, "If John Moses Browning would have wanted one in there [meaning a full length guide rod], he would have put one there!"
     
  9. rjd3282

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    I've had them both ways never noticed a difference. I certainly don't agree with the logic that if JMB had wanted it there it would have been there logic. We have all kinds of things on the 1911 that weren't on the original. We have improved sights, palm swells,flat or curved main spring housings, checkering on the front of the grip, extended and ambi safeties.
     
  10. love_my_1911

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    I'm currently doing a custom build, and opted for the original style. I've had both, and haven't noticed a difference in cycling or anything like that. The reason I went with the original style is, I once read in a self defense blog, that if one of your arms is rendered unusable in the heat of battle, your able to use a corner or the edge of a table to rack your slide. With a full length guide rod you can't, or at least it would be more difficult. A silly reason I know, but it kinda stuck in my head. I do find the original style a little easier to take down.
     
  11. DP03

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    Well, the model I went with has one (Springfield Loaded). I read a 2012 article from a professional shooter yesterday that was admiring this model, and said it was the tightest 1911 he owns (many).

    But he also stated the same thing everyone here is saying. He did not think the full length rods made a difference on today's guns.
     
  12. GunRunner

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    I have a Spinco full length guide rod I put in my Sig 1911. I actually find it easier to disassemble because I can remove the slide as one piece. I also can completely reassemble the slide and then put it back on the frame. It like every other semi I've owned. My h&k's, sigs, glocks, and fn. It's just familiar to me now.
     
  13. GunRunner

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    This is how it looks when I take it a part.

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  14. Mercator

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    Does this rod need to be unscrewed then?
     
  15. DP03

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    That's an interesting perpective. Almost all modern non 1911 semi-auto's have full length guide rods. So maybe the question is why NOT have one? They don't all seem harder to field strip (the non tool ones). And the fact of the matter is that most likely a very large majority of 1911 owners won't really have the need to quick strip their guns anyway?
     
  16. GunRunner

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    True that most may not have the need to quick strip their 1911 ' s but I can't see how having the ability to do so would be a bad thing.
     
  17. therukh

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    I do the same with my 1911, but I don't have a FLGR. It's just how you learn to disassemble them. Some prefer one way, some another.
     
  18. therukh

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    It wasn't logic, RJ, it was humor...
     
  19. Gonzilla

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    I have an officers w/o one and a combat elite w a Tungsten FLGR. If you are building a performance piece - I think it used to be called class A limited or was it unlimited ? Anyway, you could modfiy anything within the gun but could not add recoil compensators etc.

    The weight fwd adds a few ounces but only helps incrementally. Between the FLGR and the customs bushing - (wrench absolutely necessary) it's a PIA to break down.

    I paid $65 from Wilson Combat for the Tungsten 1 piece rod in early 90's - not sure they make this piece anymore.

    If I can get some extra cash, I might buy WC's original guide rod, spring, plug to try and "quantify" the difference.
     
  20. Gonzilla

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    They just came out w a rear sight that is designed to "catch" on surfaces to rack the slide. I know how strange facts or opinions can somehow "stick" in your mind.

    I once saw a video of this round disk that was fitted to bushing and by twisting you could remove bushing while catching spring n plug. Same w reassembly. Can't find it again for love nor money. Tried to Goggle it & got a ton of responses. It didn't seem to matter if you had a FLGR or not w this device. Wish I had written the co name down. :p